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Originally posted by VolBrian
Would you prefer much less effective to no DPC at all or not? And I would enjoy the game even more if my QB didn't get sacked from his blind side half way into his drop 10 times a game......

fix your builds and learn to block.

No offense, but that shouldn't happen if your OC is paying any attention.

and if they refuse to adjust to the defense, that is their problem. Just like if the defense refuses to adjust to the offense that is their problem.

Originally posted by VolBrian
Would you prefer much less effective to no DPC at all or not? And I would enjoy the game even more if my QB didn't get sacked from his blind side half way into his drop 10 times a game......

If your QB is getting sacked 10 times a game one of two things is true.

1) your opponent has an average of 5 levels, probably more on your offense.

2) you are doing something wrong.

need to get rid of the olineman that have 150 str 100 blking and 40 vision.

better vision checks needed on BOTH sides of the line

Originally posted by Rage Kinard
How are you going to handle subtle differences in plays.

For instance, you could have multiple teams that want to use the same "play" in regards to base alignment.

One team may have the LOLB set to cover HB strong or TE and the MLB set to cover HB weak or TE.
Another team may want to have the LOLB cover the TE or blitz and the MLB to cover the HB or play zone.
Another team may want to have the LOLB cover the TE or WR #2 and the MLB to cover the HB or blitz

etc, etc, etc

Are you going to provide these types of choices after the base alignment is established?

If not, then you end up favoring one team's current builds over another teams.

That's the way I see it working yes - Select a Base Alignment (Play) {i.e. 4-3 Strong Shift, 4-3 Balanced, 4-3 LOLB Blitz, eetc.....} and then have dropdowns for each defensive dot so you can select what you want each to do if you want them to do a different assignment than the play says.

This still allows the DC w/ some amazing flexibility, just doesnt allow them to "trick" the blocking logic by moving the dots around.

Basically, IM(ns)HO, Bort would be better off leaving this instance of the "beta" as-is and then start from scratch with all he's learned over 18 seasons, create a whole new SIM from bottom up and fix it like it should be. This drastic move is just another band-aid fix to the SIM. If I recall, he was told countless times that things like % AEQ and VAs would break the SIM, but he did it anyway and now we get to remove the detritus from our asses because there is no long-term thinking/foresight in the things that have been added over the seasons. Just wait until the new builds generated by the new training system break the whole system again and guess what will happen - going by already set precedents? We'll go back to the original training system.

As I said above, his best bet right now is to start from scratch. But, hey, more band-aids to stem an arterial wound! Yippee!

Originally posted by Thundercat_12
then fix the blocking schemes. We have like 1000 bug mods excuse my fench but what the hell are yall doing to fix the blocking schemes then

Bort is this fixing person that you speak of. We just report to him.



Oh, and there's only like 12-15 of us total up the ladder I think.

This decision has officially swayed my decision to quit this game as soon as I run out of FP. Thanks catch.

Leave it as is. Defense needs to be much more versatile and this game in no way needs more offense.

Originally posted by jdros13
fix your builds and learn to block.

No offense, but that shouldn't happen if your OC is paying any attention.

and if they refuse to adjust to the defense, that is their problem. Just like if the defense refuses to adjust to the offense that is their problem.

I'm the OC, and I have success at all levels thank you.



Originally posted by Dr. E


1) your opponent has an average of 5 levels, probably more on your offense.


This has been true all season for us in SLAP. Still gonna finish 7-9 though so I don't think we've done that bad.

It's not my QB in particular. Call it hypothetical I guess, but those amount of blind-side sacks are what I see every time when these "exploits" pop up in Bugs each day.

Originally posted by jerryv
The "exploits" that exist now are far less hazardous to the enjoyment of the game than what you are projecting as your "fix"!


Completely agree!

I haven't read this thread but my two cents (actually more like $5000 since that has been my investment in this game). I dislike exploits, but they are the part of any game and the game of finding them and preventing them will never end. That will never change with or without dpc. My favorite part of the game as a coordinator is designing plays to stop a specific offense with their tendencies etc. That is what keeps me coming back after 17 seasons. Builds are builds, but every opponent is unique and that chess game is the most interesting part of the game. How can I outthink a better opponent? Dpc allowed this to happen. Honestly have never thought about quitting the game, but without this creative outlet it I'd hard to imagine this becoming boring very fast.

Originally posted by Greenday4537
Leave it as is. Defense needs to be much more versatile and this game in no way needs more offense.

May as well make only offensive dots purchasable and make all D dots just be CPUs.

Way to go team!

get rid of or even nerf the DPC and you are gonna get more games like this http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=1416827

doesnt seem all that fun imo

ok, catch, I understand what you're trying to do but I have pretty low confidence it's going to work. Think back to why we needed DPC in the first place...because there were too many offensive exploits without it.

Anyway, here are my questions. I don't think any/many were asked/answered yet.

1) What will prevent a new SISlam from appearing? And I need a better answer than "we will test all 200 plays". You know that stuff will be missed.
2) Will Bort unwind all the patches to buff the offense to counter imbalances created by the DPC? If yes, does he honestly know what they all are anymore? I'm worried we will have new imbalances created.
3) Do you believe it's possible to have a set of plays and sim tweaks that will be balanced at the WL/Pro level and also be balanced at the lower levels? This seems incredibly hard to achieve.
4) Doesn't it make sense to add custom D slots at ALL postions if DPC is going away? Wasn't the reason it was NGTH because DPC could exploit it? With preset plays, putting in my pass rush DE on 3rd and 8 and my run stopper DE on 3rd and 2 makes a lot more sense. Please make this happen! It would at least allow build diversity to continue.
5) Can we get better audibles so that the pre-defined plays can include overload blitzes that can be more effectively countered?
5a) If no on 5), can we get something like auto adjust that makes an offense audible if they have been victimized by a play too often (i.e. if same blitz always works, leave extra man in next time)
6) How long will the s21 preseason have to be so OC/DC can learn what works and what doesn't? 40 days? (that's a serious question. Otherwise, teams are going to get unwisely promoted/demoted because they were slow adapting)
7) If the goal is to remove all exploits with this change, doesn't it make sense to wait until we know the new passing game is WAI, until the SA/VA effectiveness tests are done, etc.? Why not hold off until everything that is ready to change can be put in at once? Otherwise, you'll strip DPC, think the sim is fixed, two seasons later complete the SA testing and the sim will be totally unbalanced again. GLB has to stop chasing its tail.
8) Was this the big announcement you discussed in the chat or is there something even bigger?

alright - I'm going to take a bit of a break. I'd like to remind everyone that I will be discussing with Bort the possibility of a limited DPC, so try and not freak out completely about the DPC being removed.

I'll be back later and will start back from this point to answer/address any questions/issues people have.