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I've also seen the excuse "But the forums are so terrible"

They really are, but that's still no excuse. Every promotion throughout GLB involves moving to a new forum. Again, why should WL promotion be any different? You don't like the forum? Don't post there. Also nothing is stopping you from posting in your old forum.

Originally posted by teamriots
one caveat that I would insert is that it wouldn't have to necessarily be cap 14.

I would foresee some situations where a team has farm players that are only good enough for AA or AAA,
and they should be allowed to drop down according to whatever talent they are bringing aboard.

I have no problem with them dropping down into a CAPPED league of their choice...but no way should they be able to demote to AA or AAA. If players are good enough for AA or AAA, they are good enough for the WL or the Pros...at least to get their ass beat for a season before they get demoted. If they aren't good enough, they are low enough to be in a capped league.

I'm tired of this, "I want my team to go into this league" so the guys I have available can dominate.

Originally posted by Sik Wit It
I don't see any valid reasons why the WL should be any different. You have to take an entirely different approach to play a team from another region? It's not like GLB is different depending on what region you're in. We all use the same limited playbooks, and we all recruit from the same pool of players. That is not a valid excuse at all.

First of all, we both know that's not true. There is SO MUCH 'favoritism' toward certain regions and a high tendency for the best of the best players to go to those regions that it creates a severe imbalance. There's nothing that can be done about that, but You can get by in Pro, in some situations with low to mid 60's, But in WPL, the need for the top talent goes far beyond. Some owners, when they get to Pro and they have success, then find themselves with guys who are very close to, or on the decline, choose the road of restarting or rebuilding. They shouldn't be forced to WPL if they want to rebuild. More importantly, if they didn't even make the championship in Pro, they shouldn't be forced to WPL. They should be given the opportunity to A. Rebuild and move down, or B. Get better and have a shot at getting good enough to win their own league or at least make it to the championship in their own league before being forced into the highest level of play in the game. That's my opinion.

I understand however your point Sik and I understand the process that is being proposed here. While I don't completely agree with it. If it were to be implemented, I'd get used to it, just like I get used to the other things they implement every season. (oh and this doesn't have any affect on me personally at the moment because i'm not in Pro, so it's not a selfish opinion)

Jack, that's an excellent point with regards to teams that didn't win their conference receiving mandatory promotions to the WL. Definitely don't want.

What I would suggest is something along the lines of:
1. Mandatory promotions up to Pro league regardless of where you finished -- OR -- a roster reset and placement into a capped league of the owners choice. Basically, how it is now.
2. For WL promotions, same deal as #1 for the conference champs. However, if a team declines (and they will go into a capped league with a reset roster as a result) after that it is an OPT IN system in which teams are selected in the following manner.
** Did the conference runner-up opt-in
** other conference runner-up opt-in
** randomly select from all other leagues any conference runner-up that market the opt-in.
** any conference semi-final loses opt-in. randomly select.
** repeat with other conference semi-final losers that opt-in. randomly select.
** repeat with other leagues conference semi-final losers. randomly select.
...that gives us 48 teams to select from, should be enough teams with balls that want to promote. If it's still an issue, I suppose demoting teams can be given the option to opt-out of demotion

Originally posted by Jack Riley
Originally posted by Sik Wit It

I don't see any valid reasons why the WL should be any different. You have to take an entirely different approach to play a team from another region? It's not like GLB is different depending on what region you're in. We all use the same limited playbooks, and we all recruit from the same pool of players. That is not a valid excuse at all.

First of all, we both know that's not true. There is SO MUCH 'favoritism' toward certain regions and a high tendency for the best of the best players to go to those regions that it creates a severe imbalance. There's nothing that can be done about that, but You can get by in Pro, in some situations with low to mid 60's, But in WPL, the need for the top talent goes far beyond. Some owners, when they get to Pro and they have success, then find themselves with guys who are very close to, or on the decline, choose the road of restarting or rebuilding. They shouldn't be forced to WPL if they want to rebuild. More importantly, if they didn't even make the championship in Pro, they shouldn't be forced to WPL. They should be given the opportunity to A. Rebuild and move down, or B. Get better and have a shot at getting good enough to win their own league or at least make it to the championship in their own league before being forced into the highest level of play in the game. That's my opinion.

I understand however your point Sik and I understand the process that is being proposed here. While I don't completely agree with it. If it were to be implemented, I'd get used to it, just like I get used to the other things they implement every season. (oh and this doesn't have any affect on me personally at the moment because i'm not in Pro, so it's not a selfish opinion)

With the inception of the World League, I really don't think there is as much favoritism as you are implying. Every region has an equal shot at the WL, and the talent is spreading around. Once you get to the WL recruiting becomes significantly easier for those newly promoted teams. Also if we didn't have these regions declining promotion like they are, people would be more inclined to join those leagues. Instead we have people not moving up, and what player is going to want to be on a team that doesn't at least try to win at the highest level?

I agree nobody should be forced into WL if they want to rebuild. I posted that I think on the last page as well. PackMan's opt-in suggestion is pretty good.

About teams not making the championship in Pro and still getting promoted, that would happen a lot less if we just made promotion mandatory for the 2 conference champs (unless they're rebuilding).

Originally posted by Sik Wit It
With the inception of the World League, I really don't think there is as much favoritism as you are implying. Every region has an equal shot at the WL, and the talent is spreading around. Once you get to the WL recruiting becomes significantly easier for those newly promoted teams. Also if we didn't have these regions declining promotion like they are, people would be more inclined to join those leagues. Instead we have people not moving up, and what player is going to want to be on a team that doesn't at least try to win at the highest level?

I agree nobody should be forced into WL if they want to rebuild. I posted that I think on the last page as well. PackMan's opt-in suggestion is pretty good.

About teams not making the championship in Pro and still getting promoted, that would happen a lot less if we just made promotion mandatory for the 2 conference champs (unless they're rebuilding).

Originally posted by PackMan97
Jack, that's an excellent point with regards to teams that didn't win their conference receiving mandatory promotions to the WL. Definitely don't want.

What I would suggest is something along the lines of:
1. Mandatory promotions up to Pro league regardless of where you finished -- OR -- a roster reset and placement into a capped league of the owners choice. Basically, how it is now.
2. For WL promotions, same deal as #1 for the conference champs. However, if a team declines (and they will go into a capped league with a reset roster as a result) after that it is an OPT IN system in which teams are selected in the following manner.
** Did the conference runner-up opt-in
** other conference runner-up opt-in
** randomly select from all other leagues any conference runner-up that market the opt-in.
** any conference semi-final loses opt-in. randomly select.
** repeat with other conference semi-final losers that opt-in. randomly select.
** repeat with other leagues conference semi-final losers. randomly select.
...that gives us 48 teams to select from, should be enough teams with balls that want to promote. If it's still an issue, I suppose demoting teams can be given the option to opt-out of demotion

Honestly Pacman, I don't see anything here I disagree with. Very well outlined ideas here.

Originally posted by Sik Wit It

About teams not making the championship in Pro and still getting promoted, that would happen a lot less if we just made promotion mandatory for the 2 conference champs (unless they're rebuilding).

Sik, liked some of the other points you made in your last post, such as the talent spreading around, perhaps as more season 1 & 2 players retire we'll be able to notice a bit more. Right now, it's hard to base just how much the talent is going around.

But the reason i quoted the part of your statement I did is because it's the biggest part I agree with. If that element were the case, limiting the Forced Promotion to Conference Champions, then I would certainly be inclined to agree with you on the subject of Mandatory Promotions. I think if that were the case, they SHOULD be implemented.

I know this will probably get torn apart from all sides, but why not just have a stadium reset when ever you ask for demotion? That would make retooling a harder choice than just going back down.

Originally posted by DPMuddy
I know this will probably get torn apart from all sides, but why not just have a stadium reset when ever you ask for demotion? That would make retooling a harder choice than just going back down.

This is the way it should be tbh.

Originally posted by DPMuddy
I know this will probably get torn apart from all sides, but why not just have a stadium reset when ever you ask for demotion? That would make retooling a harder choice than just going back down.

Absolutely not. That is an absolutely horrible idea. So you're saying that if someone, for example, has a team that spends most of its time in Pro & World League, then their players get to the 'end of their rope' and start retiring, so they are forced to move back a few levels, they should also have to rebuild their stadium? I don't like that idea AT ALL. We all payed just as much money to build the thing we shouldn't have to do it again. That's the first part of ownership (for those smart enough to realize it), building the stadium. If you reset it on a team that doesn't have the funding currently to build it, due to the millions of dollars in EQ they have spent for example, it could be the death of the team, sending them into CPU land because they run out of money and the team gets Repo'd. There's just no real reason for it at all. I do agree that if a team requests demotion then anyone on their team that is below that level, should be 'auto-released' into Free Agency and they should have to recruit new players.

There's nothing worse imo, than teams getting demotions into a level 31 Cap or something (i've seen this happen SEVERAL times) and have like 10 level 55's on their team, which pretty much notches them the championship by default. In situations like that, everyone over level 31 (or at least within 5 levels of it) should be auto released upon being demoted.

Recruiting against a team or several teams with unlimited capital that has chosen to restart at level 14 and holds a full stadium as well is far more difficult than rebuilding the stadium. The answer probably lies somewhere in the middle. Teams will more often end up in CPU land trying to compete with the "deep pockets" of a formally high level squad than one who chosen to rebuild

Originally posted by DPMuddy
I know this will probably get torn apart from all sides, but why not just have a stadium reset when ever you ask for demotion? That would make retooling a harder choice than just going back down.

I like this Idea. I think it's Hard for upstart Teams to hang with these teams that drop a good bit with a full stadium. We have a Team thats up to a level 36 and we have just finished are stadium this off season. I don't think its fair to have a team drop to a level Lower then 42 with a full stadium.

Originally posted by crims
I like this Idea. I think it's Hard for upstart Teams to hang with these teams that drop a good bit with a full stadium. We have a Team thats up to a level 36 and we have just finished are stadium this off season. I don't think its fair to have a team drop to a level Lower then 42 with a full stadium.

Well then don't allow them to drop below level 42. Because I think it's worse to penalize hard working teams who choose to rebuild and build themselves back up to Superiority by taking away their stadium.

Originally posted by Sik Wit It
The ONLY reason I see for a team to decline promotion to WL is if they're gutting and want to start over. Then I would say we need to make sure the team actually guts and moves to cap 14.

Other than that, you win, you move up. Period.

world league is MUCH more fluid.. you get teams and you loose them pretty fast... most pro leagues are pretty competitive still and some people want to stick around to keep rivalries etc going.

Originally posted by PackMan97
I have no problem with them dropping down into a CAPPED league of their choice...but no way should they be able to demote to AA or AAA. If players are good enough for AA or AAA, they are good enough for the WL or the Pros...at least to get their ass beat for a season before they get demoted. If they aren't good enough, they are low enough to be in a capped league.

I'm tired of this, "I want my team to go into this league" so the guys I have available can dominate.

wasn't league created in a large sense to be the most competitive league where you had to game plan every game etc? You are saying cream puffs should be forced into the world league? I'm sure the people in the WL would just love that...