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Originally posted by Chysil
uncapped and above, yes I agree...

however the being able to decline moving up 3 spots and instead moving up two in the minors capped (provided you are still within the level cap) is ok to me... Heck if you win twice (or 3 times like the casual team I'm on) you'll find yourself 10 levels under the cap in a big hurry. Then you are left with two bad options. Take a lackluster season (probably hurting your fan support a fair amount), or try to refill you roster (which is kind of rude to your agents and hurts your chem pretty bad)

Declining promotion from a team like you are on is the problem.

First you won 2 times in a row. Assume 1/2 the teams are inept, gutted or cpu, that leaves 16 trying. So winning 2 straight is a 1 in 256 shot ( 1/16 x 1/16). If you have a down season honestly who the F cares you already had a great 2 year run. There is no need to play poor me. You should promote to a point where you are competitive not dominant.

Second in football only 50% of the time there can be a winner. A lackluster season isn't the end of the world it happens 1/2 the time. If you don't make the playoffs in your 3rd season you only move up 1 level and you become more dominant in your 4th season.

Last, if we had forced promotion everyone accepted their promotion here is what a level 34 cap league would look like.

2 champions from 22
14 playoff teams from 26
14 non playoff teams from 30
2 teams finishing 15/16 from level 34.

The two championship teams are still going to make the playoffs.

When championship teams only move 2 you get this. The first team I looked at in 34 http://goallineblitz.com/game/team.pl?season=12&team_id=1607. They won 28 last year declined promotion moved 2 and boosted so Level 34 cap now 37s. They have 6 players over the cap and the rest at the cap. If they played 38 they would be a very competitive team. As it is they will win this league again hands down in non-competitive fashion. The same as they did in L28 where their closest game was 51-6. I think this 1 example from the first league I looked at shows the mods use zero discretion when processing demotion/promotion requests. If the rule applies to everyone, the leagues will be more fun.

The idea is to push teams out of the cap not to entice them to stay in the minors hunting trophies.

Currently AA is suffering at the expense of trophy hunters in L46 and Uncapped Minors.

the problem with forcing teams up 3 levels is that that is 12 levels when you can only earn 5 in a season after level 25. make the promotions hard capped so that you cant be a 34 in a cap 31, and that would make sure all the teams are in the right cap. also the higher caps should only be 3 apart and not 4.

the real problem in this game is that there are too many teams that do not game plan worth crap. if all 16 in a conf were given the exact same teams, you'd still likely have 3 or 4 that would rise far above the other due to game planning.. i know multiple owners ready to sell their teams because they cant find good coordinators.

Teams should not be allowed to refuse promotion, but no team should be pushed 3 levels, that is one of the two biggest problems with the current promotion scheme.

I agree. Last year we where Level 31 went 15-1, 1 and 1 in the playoffs and now where in a level 38 league. Some teams came down to level 38 with level 38 guys. We where level 33 when we got here, we boost and we are only level 36. They boost and there level 41. Hows that work for us take the season off?

http://goallineblitz.com/game/team.pl?team_id=5710

Originally posted by crims
I agree. Last year we where Level 31 went 15-1, 1 and 1 in the playoffs and now where in a level 38 league. Some teams came down to level 38 with level 38 guys. We where level 33 when we got here, we boost and we are only level 36. They boost and there level 41. Hows that work for us take the season off?

http://goallineblitz.com/game/team.pl?team_id=5710

teams shouldnt be allowed demote. thats where it turns to crap is when teams are allowed to demote. the only demotions allowed should be all the way down to 14. they accepted the benefits of being in a higher level, so now they should have to deal with it.

1 time promoting 3 caps isn't that big of a deal... infact, if it's from 14 cap you really don't even end up outleveled. It's after level 25, when you get 5 levels a season (from boosting) but promoting 3 caps (12 level) x 2 = 24 cap levels in 2 seasons, which you only gained roughly 10 levels... that's a pretty big hole.

I'm not trying to say "poor me" etc, because if you look at it, our team didn't decline the promotion. But it sucks having to play backup because the new recruits are all higher level than you (let's face it, talking a 33 into a 42 cap league isn't the easiest thing to do)...

You saying I should be happy because I already won 2 championships is one thing... but what if some of the players leave (it wasn't a preset team so we recruit 10+ players a season). How easy do you think it is to get people to join a team that's going to get beaten up by higher leveled teams for the first season?

If you are staying within the cap (no players over cap at start of season) why should you have to get promoted that 3rd cap...


now most of the teams I'm on are either casual enough to not really care, or they are trying to get to pros eventually so they don't mind getting promoted the extra cap... but what about the other teams that might care about being competitive every season?

I actually have to say I don't think this is a good idea. If they were making it mandatory for JUST the Champions of the Leagues to go to the next level from Pro to WPL, then I'd have no problem with that, but... isn't it already mandatory for everything below Pro? World Pro is another level from Pro, a completely different atmosphere, one in which you have to take an entirely different type of approach with to be prepared. It's one thing to prepare to play your own region, it's another to prepare to play EVERY region. So, -1 to making it mandatory to be promoted from Pro to World Pro, +1 to making it mandatory for all the levels below Pro.

+1 to the OP

I thought I read something on the announcements about making AA the first uncapped league anyways?

Maybe that was too good of an idea to make it happen?

I think it would be cool if they stopped giving trophies to teams in the cloud leagues. It would stop the farming and make getting into a region that much more important.

I also agree that all leagues should be mandatory to be promoted to except the WL. Not everyone agrees or wanted the WL so not everyone wants to be in it. There was always regions so everyone who started GLB wanted to be in a region. If you don't there is always the casual leagues.

Originally posted by Jack Riley
I actually have to say I don't think this is a good idea. If they were making it mandatory for JUST the Champions of the Leagues to go to the next level from Pro to WPL, then I'd have no problem with that, but... isn't it already mandatory for everything below Pro? World Pro is another level from Pro, a completely different atmosphere, one in which you have to take an entirely different type of approach with to be prepared. It's one thing to prepare to play your own region, it's another to prepare to play EVERY region. So, -1 to making it mandatory to be promoted from Pro to World Pro, +1 to making it mandatory for all the levels below Pro.

I don't see any valid reasons why the WL should be any different. You have to take an entirely different approach to play a team from another region? It's not like GLB is different depending on what region you're in. We all use the same limited playbooks, and we all recruit from the same pool of players. That is not a valid excuse at all.

The ONLY reason I see for a team to decline promotion to WL is if they're gutting and want to start over. Then I would say we need to make sure the team actually guts and moves to cap 14.

Other than that, you win, you move up. Period.

+1 to Sik's idea.

There should be two options.

1. Accept Promotion
2. Decline Promotion with a ROSTER RESET and demotion to a cap of the owner's choice.

Declining promotion to stay in the same league should not be an option.

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I would say that this shouldn't all be "stick" there also needs to be a carrot and currently there are very few rewards to move up a level and take your lumps for a season or two while you grow into your new league and the dominant teams move out. Make fame count for more. Make the financial rewards greater. Do something to really incentivize teams and players to play at the highest level available to them.

Right now, why would an agent want to sign with a team in AAA that might struggle vs signing with one in AA/Uncapped minors that has a shot at winning gold? Winning is much more fun, so that's where everyone heads, to the teams they feel will be winnas!

Originally posted by PackMan97
+1 to Sik's idea.

There should be two options.

1. Accept Promotion
2. Decline Promotion with a ROSTER RESET and demotion to a cap of the owner's choice.

Declining promotion to stay in the same league should not be an option.

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I would say that this shouldn't all be "stick" there also needs to be a carrot and currently there are very few rewards to move up a level and take your lumps for a season or two while you grow into your new league and the dominant teams move out. Make fame count for more. Make the financial rewards greater. Do something to really incentivize teams and players to play at the highest level available to them.

Right now, why would an agent want to sign with a team in AAA that might struggle vs signing with one in AA/Uncapped minors that has a shot at winning gold? Winning is much more fun, so that's where everyone heads, to the teams they feel will be winnas!

^ Make this happen

Originally posted by Sik Wit It
The ONLY reason I see for a team to decline promotion to WL is if they're gutting and want to start over. Then I would say we need to make sure the team actually guts and moves to cap 14.

Other than that, you win, you move up. Period.

one caveat that I would insert is that it wouldn't have to necessarily be cap 14.

I would foresee some situations where a team has farm players that are only good enough for AA or AAA,
and they should be allowed to drop down according to whatever talent they are bringing aboard.

But this should be the only way teams get out of WL promotion is if they truly plan on overhauling their roster.

Declining promotion because you know you're going to get your ass kicked is not an acceptable reason for non-promotion,
and I think Bort obviously does not wear the pants in this GLB relationship by allowing teams to get their way.

Bort, you're the boss, so be the boss. Either that or hire someone willing to be the boss.

That's how shit works.