Warrior General Games

Hello epicland

I just made a suggestion basically the same as the OP:

It's absolutely stupid for the leagues to be filled from the bottom up instead of the top down. So many teams choose to stay down in the clouds while there are spots in AA that are stuck with CPUs. Also there are teams that are higher than a cap or right on the cap that choose to stay down.

I suggest that Bort gives teams the option to pick a region and get promoted. If not enough teams choose to move up, rank the teams by average level of starters and move them to a random AA league till that is full than random uncap clouds until they are filled and the highest cap till those are filled too with competitive teams. If teams still complain about getting moved up, give them the option to clear the roster and start back in the 13 caps or move up and be happy about it.

I do not disagree with the overall point.
I can still remember when winning and promoting was seen a Good thing.
Somewhere a long the line that has changed.
I do not think forced promotion will solve the problem unless EVERYONE is forced.
If they can whine their way out of it , it will be a waste of time.

Rat

If they whine, give them the option to either move up to where they belong or completely gut their roster and start at the lowest cap.

Then they quit and Bort is out $$$.
Probably not going to happen

+1

I love this. Its WAY past time that Bort got serious about holding teams accountable. Nobody wins when a team declines promotions merely to beat teams they have no business still competing against.

+1

Originally posted by RiverRat2

I do not think forced promotion will solve the problem unless EVERYONE is forced.


Isn't that what I'm suggesting?

Originally posted by RiverRat2
I do not disagree with the overall point.
I can still remember when winning and promoting was seen a Good thing.
Somewhere a long the line that has changed.
I do not think forced promotion will solve the problem unless EVERYONE is forced.
If they can whine their way out of it , it will be a waste of time.

Rat

If it isn't everyone it isn't forced it is still optional. Under this system promotion was never intended to be optional. If everyone is forced to take their promotion the minor leagues will be incredibly competitive.

Great 28s would be promoted to 40 with Good 32s and Mediocre/Poor 36s. The Great 28s got their trophy at L14 and need to get out in the real pyramid. It was built such that trophy farming in the minors was next to impossible.

Originally posted by RiverRat2
Then they quit and Bort is out $$$.
Probably not going to happen

I don't know it made it to epic before page 3 that's usually a good sign.
Also
+10000000000000000000000

uncapped and above, yes I agree...

however the being able to decline moving up 3 spots and instead moving up two in the minors capped (provided you are still within the level cap) is ok to me... Heck if you win twice (or 3 times like the casual team I'm on) you'll find yourself 10 levels under the cap in a big hurry. Then you are left with two bad options. Take a lackluster season (probably hurting your fan support a fair amount), or try to refill you roster (which is kind of rude to your agents and hurts your chem pretty bad)

Originally posted by Chysil
uncapped and above, yes I agree...

however the being able to decline moving up 3 spots and instead moving up two in the minors capped (provided you are still within the level cap) is ok to me... Heck if you win twice (or 3 times like the casual team I'm on) you'll find yourself 10 levels under the cap in a big hurry. Then you are left with two bad options. Take a lackluster season (probably hurting your fan support a fair amount), or try to refill you roster (which is kind of rude to your agents and hurts your chem pretty bad)

I'm down for cutting out some of the caps. It's getting freaking ridicules. Is there any reason to have 10 different caps? Is there any reason to have a cap after level 32? There is a level 46 cap for god sakes. That's higher than most average level in AA. Is there any need for a level 30 cap and a level 31 cap.

Originally posted by Ilok
I'm down for cutting out some of the caps. It's getting freaking ridicules. Is there any reason to have 10 different caps? Is there any reason to have a cap after level 32? There is a level 46 cap for god sakes. That's higher than most average level in AA. Is there any need for a level 30 cap and a level 31 cap.



This.

The old system was actually better tbh. You moved up and virtually competed year after year and had a fair amount of teams. The leagues should be on the same type of system, just named differently and less caps.

Originally posted by enasty19
This.

The old system was actually better tbh. You moved up and virtually competed year after year and had a fair amount of teams. The leagues should be on the same type of system, just named differently and less caps.

The old system was completely non competitive at A and BBB. The range of players in those leagues was so out of bounds that you were lucky to get 5 games a season.

BBB ranged from 7-35 within 2 standard deviations and A from 10-45

Now throw in that the range of players was lower then 1-57 where it is 1-73 now.

You had new owner's going into USA BBB with one of two options. Go broke trying to win or slow build for 2-3 seasons for the chance of competing. The "new" owners would go broke trying to sign players to compete and quit.

You actually have competition now. The lack of it comes from people declining promotion to a competitive league to play in a league where they will dominate thus ruining the competition. See superslowbuilders trophy hunters.