I don't have faith in bump and run. That looks like clown ball, but we shall see.
Just seems like it will create more joke builds and well as more joke teams.
Just seems like it will create more joke builds and well as more joke teams.
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Originally posted by RobertRJS
there should be a prerequisite to use BnR cuz in lower leagues, WRs will be destroyed.
In fact, it would make it more interesting if it was like a 50 or 55 prereq, but i guess even 40 would be fair for lower level WRs
Hmm...if CB's are investing in strength early, they will probably be lacking coverage skills? Which will mean that once the WR breaks free, he will be wide open? But yeah, that is a pretty good point.
there should be a prerequisite to use BnR cuz in lower leagues, WRs will be destroyed.
In fact, it would make it more interesting if it was like a 50 or 55 prereq, but i guess even 40 would be fair for lower level WRs
Hmm...if CB's are investing in strength early, they will probably be lacking coverage skills? Which will mean that once the WR breaks free, he will be wide open? But yeah, that is a pretty good point.
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Originally posted by Dacolts
Is the offense getting anything? I don't want 9-6 games really.
Knocked loose is supposed to be toned way down, and "0 yard man coverage" is supposed to become less reliable.
Is the offense getting anything? I don't want 9-6 games really.
Knocked loose is supposed to be toned way down, and "0 yard man coverage" is supposed to become less reliable.
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Originally posted by Deathblade
Originally posted by RobertRJS
there should be a prerequisite to use BnR cuz in lower leagues, WRs will be destroyed.
In fact, it would make it more interesting if it was like a 50 or 55 prereq, but i guess even 40 would be fair for lower level WRs
Hmm...if CB's are investing in strength early, they will probably be lacking coverage skills? Which will mean that once the WR breaks free, he will be wide open? But yeah, that is a pretty good point.
it's possible, but with the way WRs build now, doubtful until at least the mid 20s.
But think about pee-wee leagues. All you'd have to do is pump up strength near the end of the season and come playoff time, WRs are screwed.
WR and CB will have same speed/agility...difference will be strength vs catch. Can't catch if you can't get off the line.
Edit: also, CBs have auto strength gains. WRs do not.
Originally posted by RobertRJS
there should be a prerequisite to use BnR cuz in lower leagues, WRs will be destroyed.
In fact, it would make it more interesting if it was like a 50 or 55 prereq, but i guess even 40 would be fair for lower level WRs
Hmm...if CB's are investing in strength early, they will probably be lacking coverage skills? Which will mean that once the WR breaks free, he will be wide open? But yeah, that is a pretty good point.
it's possible, but with the way WRs build now, doubtful until at least the mid 20s.
But think about pee-wee leagues. All you'd have to do is pump up strength near the end of the season and come playoff time, WRs are screwed.
WR and CB will have same speed/agility...difference will be strength vs catch. Can't catch if you can't get off the line.
Edit: also, CBs have auto strength gains. WRs do not.
Edited by RobertRJS on Sep 17, 2009 12:40:45
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you could make it a vision pre-req if not strength...or a level pre-req. Any make sense to me.
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Originally posted by RobertRJS
it's possible, but with the way WRs build now, doubtful until at least the mid 20s.
But think about pee-wee leagues. All you'd have to do is pump up strength near the end of the season and come playoff time, WRs are screwed.
WR and CB will have same speed/agility...difference will be strength vs catch. Can't catch if you can't get off the line.
Edit: also, CBs have auto strength gains. WRs do not.
To be fair...aren't the majority of peewee WR's strength based anyway? But yes, it could potentially be a problem...but agility will play a role in breaking it. I mean, yes, CB's may eventually have higher agility, but at lower levels...it will be about even, which would offset the strength difference a little bit (rather than being 30-40 vs 10, it would be 60-70 vs 40-50).
it's possible, but with the way WRs build now, doubtful until at least the mid 20s.
But think about pee-wee leagues. All you'd have to do is pump up strength near the end of the season and come playoff time, WRs are screwed.
WR and CB will have same speed/agility...difference will be strength vs catch. Can't catch if you can't get off the line.
Edit: also, CBs have auto strength gains. WRs do not.
To be fair...aren't the majority of peewee WR's strength based anyway? But yes, it could potentially be a problem...but agility will play a role in breaking it. I mean, yes, CB's may eventually have higher agility, but at lower levels...it will be about even, which would offset the strength difference a little bit (rather than being 30-40 vs 10, it would be 60-70 vs 40-50).
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My worries on the B&R is that the WR's which already have trouble getting open versus the CB will have even more trouble. We already see CB that don't have as much speed keeping up with WR. Now this?!
Will the Route Running and First Step SA also figure in on the release from the bump? I would think that there would be quite a few factors to breaking the bump like speed, agility, strength, stamina, confidence and some of the other SA's from both the CB and WR.
I believe a lot of teams will run with this. I know GLB doesn't equal real life, but there are few corners that can play bump coverage and totally shut down WR's. There's probably not even 5 in the NFL.
Will the Route Running and First Step SA also figure in on the release from the bump? I would think that there would be quite a few factors to breaking the bump like speed, agility, strength, stamina, confidence and some of the other SA's from both the CB and WR.
I believe a lot of teams will run with this. I know GLB doesn't equal real life, but there are few corners that can play bump coverage and totally shut down WR's. There's probably not even 5 in the NFL.
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Baby steps just isn't something that flies around here. It's always major changes that will just create new issues that will take seasons to correct.
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Originally posted by jcrossfield22
My worries on the B&R is that the WR's which already have trouble getting open versus the CB will have even more trouble. We already see CB that don't have as much speed keeping up with WR. Now this?!
Will the Route Running and First Step SA also figure in on the release from the bump? I would think that there would be quite a few factors to breaking the bump like speed, agility, strength, stamina, confidence and some of the other SA's from both the CB and WR.
I believe a lot of teams will run with this. I know GLB doesn't equal real life, but there are few corners that can play bump coverage and totally shut down WR's. There's probably not even 5 in the NFL.
Until a 110 speed WR can run right by a 90 speed corner then he shouldn't be able to be bumped.
My worries on the B&R is that the WR's which already have trouble getting open versus the CB will have even more trouble. We already see CB that don't have as much speed keeping up with WR. Now this?!
Will the Route Running and First Step SA also figure in on the release from the bump? I would think that there would be quite a few factors to breaking the bump like speed, agility, strength, stamina, confidence and some of the other SA's from both the CB and WR.
I believe a lot of teams will run with this. I know GLB doesn't equal real life, but there are few corners that can play bump coverage and totally shut down WR's. There's probably not even 5 in the NFL.
Until a 110 speed WR can run right by a 90 speed corner then he shouldn't be able to be bumped.
Edited by doubletree on Sep 17, 2009 20:20:31
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I don't mind the concept, as long as it is presented as a risk/reward. You can gain a big benefit if it works, and it will help on short routes. However, if you do it and dont have safety coverage behind you, you're at a big disadvantage once the seperation occurs, b/c you have to turn around.
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The main goal of BnR is to knock a WR off his route and disrupt patterns, particularly timing patterns. So how much will this affect actually be felt in the game?
Will QB's be subject to more vision checks if a WR is successfully knocked off his intended route?
Or in GLB will BnR be more or less a "WR slow down" tactic.
Will QB's be subject to more vision checks if a WR is successfully knocked off his intended route?
Or in GLB will BnR be more or less a "WR slow down" tactic.
Originally posted by Swampgator75
Or in GLB will BnR be more or less a "WR slow down" tactic.
^ this
There is no timing in GLB
Or in GLB will BnR be more or less a "WR slow down" tactic.
^ this
There is no timing in GLB
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Originally posted by
#2 - The newest option updated so far in the test server is also a long awaited one for the DC's in this game, the Select Personnel Modifications option. Here's a visual example here: http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/8374/selectpersonnelmodifica.jpg
Basic understanding of it is that you can choose who you want to play for the LB and NT positions in certain plays if you want. Also, the new Coverage Cushion option for your defenders.
Is anything being discussed for similar functionality for the offense? I think a lot of the OPC boosters would be satisfied with a a Personnel Modifications option for WRs with the same sort of functionality shown for the DPC. Between that and 4 WR and 2 TE sets, that would go a long way towards giving the OCs similar options as the DPCs.
#2 - The newest option updated so far in the test server is also a long awaited one for the DC's in this game, the Select Personnel Modifications option. Here's a visual example here: http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/8374/selectpersonnelmodifica.jpg
Basic understanding of it is that you can choose who you want to play for the LB and NT positions in certain plays if you want. Also, the new Coverage Cushion option for your defenders.
Is anything being discussed for similar functionality for the offense? I think a lot of the OPC boosters would be satisfied with a a Personnel Modifications option for WRs with the same sort of functionality shown for the DPC. Between that and 4 WR and 2 TE sets, that would go a long way towards giving the OCs similar options as the DPCs.
Edited by Donner on Sep 18, 2009 22:15:38
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Originally posted by Deathblade
O-Linemen and FB receive 0 points in speed...just sayin
Silly response DB.
We all know how retarded it is that these players (or OL at least) get tackling levels instead of speed... but breaking WR's even more (RB's leading leagues in catches/yards is a result in part of WR ineffectiveness) does not help.
O-Linemen and FB receive 0 points in speed...just sayin
Silly response DB.
We all know how retarded it is that these players (or OL at least) get tackling levels instead of speed... but breaking WR's even more (RB's leading leagues in catches/yards is a result in part of WR ineffectiveness) does not help.
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