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wrw47
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Originally posted by AngryDragon
Speaking of multi-attribute and stacking VA bonuses. I think we can call on an old lesson learned with the attribute VAs and the big heart VA. Basically the physical skills for most top leveled players are at very high levels. So high % levels and stacking bonuses just put them at freakish levels. The mental and football skills can probably get away with higher bonuses and stacking bonuses without hurting the sim.

Vision may become the one exception to this rule of thumb. Still I think if the physical skills are somehow kept in check a crazy vision bonus may not matter that much.


Mentor bug says hi, AD.
 
SeattleNiner
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Why not just take "Ball Hawk" VA & rename it to "Man to Man Specialist" and make it work only in m2m coverage? Then you give defenders options in what to specialize in, which encourages diversity and eliminates stacking.
 
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Originally posted by odt
Why are you toning down pass rushing when sacks are already below what they should be?


This. Jesus fucking christ, are we really going to go down this road AGAIN?
 
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Originally posted by SeattleNiner
Why not just take "Ball Hawk" VA & rename it to "Man to Man Specialist" and make it work only in m2m coverage? Then you give defenders options in what to specialize in, which encourages diversity and eliminates stacking.


I like the direction of this thought.
 
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Originally posted by Rexi
I like the direction of this thought.


Will also agree with this. Can either pump up your zone, or your man to man. Possibly both, but they don't stack. Very solid thought.
 
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Originally posted by SeattleNiner
Why not just take "Ball Hawk" VA & rename it to "Man to Man Specialist" and make it work only in m2m coverage? Then you give defenders options in what to specialize in, which encourages diversity and eliminates stacking.


We have that. It's called "Shutdown Coverage" and it's the last SA in the CB tree.
 
Joe Buck
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Originally posted by pottsman
Originally posted by SeattleNiner

Why not just take "Ball Hawk" VA & rename it to "Man to Man Specialist" and make it work only in m2m coverage? Then you give defenders options in what to specialize in, which encourages diversity and eliminates stacking.


We have that. It's called "Shutdown Coverage" and it's the last SA in the CB tree.


how about we just allow VP to be converted into SP somehow that can only be used in the SA tree and be done with it?
 
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Originally posted by Joe Buck
how about we just allow VP to be converted into SP somehow that can only be used in the SA tree and be done with it?


or how about just completely get rid of SA's, and make all SA's into VA's?
 
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Originally posted by Deathblade
Originally posted by Joe Buck

how about we just allow VP to be converted into SP somehow that can only be used in the SA tree and be done with it?


or how about just completely get rid of SA's, and make all SA's into VA's?


I'd vote for just the oppostite, actually
 
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Originally posted by PING72
I'd vote for just the oppostite, actually


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tragula
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Originally posted by Deathblade
or how about just completely get rid of SA's, and make all SA's into VA's?


SAs have softcaps VAs don't.
 
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Originally posted by tpaterniti
Screens in real life only work against heavy blitzing defenses. They are designed to take advantage of a D's aggressiveness when they blitz 6 or more. They should not be go-to plays against non-blitzing teams except in very rare situations.


QFT...and screens IRL will fool the dline and LBs a grand total of once, maybe twice...if it works at all.
 
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Originally posted by Rage Kinard
TONING DOWN PASS RUSHING? - Are you kidding me?

Pass rushing IS NOT the problem with the passing game.

Who is watching SIMS on a regular basis and complaining that pass rushing is the problem with the passing game?

The problem with the passing game is DBs juiced up on Ball Hawk (and Zone Specialist makes it worse) who can make up 8 yards on a WR between the time the ball is thrown and the time it gets to its target. The problem is 130 speed/80 agility WRs can't get enough seperation from a 95 speed, 95 agility CB to require safety help over the top.

In the 2nd round playoff and conference championship games of WL there were roughly 25 sacks on 500 pass plays. Although that is probably high considering the number of screen passes that are thrown, it isn't so bad it is the primary cause for passing problems, and those numbers would probably drop if WRs didn't have so much trouble getting open.


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teamriots
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Dear Bort,

Everyone knows that screens were emphatically redundant during Season 11.

This does not mean that you have to blow the doors off and make screens impossible.

Outside Blocker serves its purpose on both pitch plays and screen plays. I only wish you used more wisdom when preparing these changes. You make rash decisions, and it does not seem to me that you truly think them through. All of your nerfs and borfs only create new problems and you're always scurrying about trying to re-buff overdone nerfs.

Instead of completely demolishing people's ability to throw screen passes, why don't you subtly decrease the bonus gained until you come to an acceptable area?

I would say something like 0.5% boost for screens and 1% boost for pitch plays.

Can I get some +1's from those who read this and agree?

The same thing for Zone Specialists. Linebackers should have the ability to become zone specialists if someone wants to. If you want to limit the ability for people to use 4-3 defenses against 3WR offenses, then drop the bonus down to 0.5% for LB's and keep it 1% for Safeties and Corners.

It seems very simple to me, and my only problem is that you seem to make rash decisions based on season-to-season exploits.

Please make wise decisions and get your nerfs correct instead of completely changing the face of the game -- AGAIN.

Thanks to all who read this. I know it won't accomplish much, but I seriously am struggling with Bort's decision making. I mean seriously Bort is a really smart guy, but man he's always in a rush to completely modify how people play the game, and I completely disagree with it.
 
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I do get a laugh out of Bort's prescriptions.

It's kinda like a doctor prescribing morphine to cure depression.

"well that didn't work, let's try cocaine!"
Edited by teamriots on Sep 27, 2009 17:59:42
 
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