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teamriots
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Originally posted by SeattleNiner
Why not just take "Ball Hawk" VA & rename it to "Man to Man Specialist" and make it work only in m2m coverage? Then you give defenders options in what to specialize in, which encourages diversity and eliminates stacking.


Not a bad idea. The only thing I see that could go wrong is I've heard a lot of m2m CB's who say they hate ballhawk because it causes them to jump too many routes.
 
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Originally posted by teamriots
Dear Bort,

Everyone knows that screens were emphatically redundant during Season 11.

This does not mean that you have to blow the doors off and make screens impossible.

Outside Blocker serves its purpose on both pitch plays and screen plays. I only wish you used more wisdom when preparing these changes. You make rash decisions, and it does not seem to me that you truly think them through. All of your nerfs and borfs only create new problems and you're always scurrying about trying to re-buff overdone nerfs.

Instead of completely demolishing people's ability to throw screen passes, why don't you subtly decrease the bonus gained until you come to an acceptable area?

I would say something like 0.5% boost for screens and 1% boost for pitch plays.

Can I get some +1's from those who read this and agree?

The same thing for Zone Specialists. Linebackers should have the ability to become zone specialists if someone wants to. If you want to limit the ability for people to use 4-3 defenses against 3WR offenses, then drop the bonus down to 0.5% for LB's and keep it 1% for Safeties and Corners.

It seems very simple to me, and my only problem is that you seem to make rash decisions based on season-to-season exploits.

Please make wise decisions and get your nerfs correct instead of completely changing the face of the game -- AGAIN.

Thanks to all who read this. I know it won't accomplish much, but I seriously am struggling with Bort's decision making. I mean seriously Bort is a really smart guy, but man he's always in a rush to completely modify how people play the game, and I completely disagree with it.


So you are suggesting that he spends 4-5 seasons "slightly adjusting" screens until they are balanced...and we just sit with overpowered screens until that time?

Sounds pretty stale.
 
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The main difference in the screen play is that blockers can't run upfield and kill the defenders before the ball is caught, which I think it's a basic rule.
 
Deathblade
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Originally posted by blankspace
The main difference in the screen play is that blockers can't run upfield and kill the defenders before the ball is caught, which I think it's a basic rule.


It's only a rule in the NFL I think...
 
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Originally posted by Deathblade
So you are suggesting that he spends 4-5 seasons "slightly adjusting" screens until they are balanced...and we just sit with overpowered screens until that time?

Sounds pretty stale.


You know what else is stale? WR Screen.

That's what over-nerfing does.
 
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Originally posted by Deathblade
Originally posted by blankspace

The main difference in the screen play is that blockers can't run upfield and kill the defenders before the ball is caught, which I think it's a basic rule.


It's only a rule in the NFL I think...


I know that Bort said that he doesn't want illegible receivers down the field during the screen, so I guess he's basing it off of the NFL rule.
 
Deathblade
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Originally posted by Adderfist
You know what else is stale? WR Screen.

That's what over-nerfing does.


You know what under-nerfing does?

S9, S10, and S11
 
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Originally posted by Deathblade
Originally posted by Adderfist

You know what else is stale? WR Screen.

That's what over-nerfing does.


You know what under-nerfing does?

S9, S10, and S11


And not nerfing = S8*
 
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Originally posted by blankspace
I know that Bort said that he doesn't want illegible receivers down the field during the screen, so I guess he's basing it off of the NFL rule.


Isn't it 5 yards from the LoS?
 
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Originally posted by Adderfist
You know what else is stale? WR Screen.

That's what over-nerfing does.


Welcome to reality. Show me a game in which the screen is used more than a couple times against a basic defense, and is successful. It's a counter to an over aggressive D, but if you've got a man who's covering the HB, he's most likely going to blow up that screen anyways.
 
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Originally posted by bills_red
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They're not toning down the pass rush on the current sim. They're toning down the pass rush on the UPDATED BLOCKING CODE IN THE TEST SERVER .

The test server code. Not the live code.


Can one of the mods make an announcement about this? It seems to be seeping into private forums and everything. People aren't aware that you're not tweaking the live code, you're tweaking what's in the test code.
 
Absolut Zero
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Originally posted by Staz
They're not toning down the pass rush on the current sim. They're toning down the pass rush on the UPDATED BLOCKING CODE IN THE TEST SERVER .

The test server code. Not the live code.


Can one of the mods make an announcement about this? It seems to be seeping into private forums and everything. People aren't aware that you're not tweaking the live code, you're tweaking what's in the test code.


But the test code will eventually become the live code, right?
 
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Originally posted by Absolut Zero
But the test code will eventually become the live code, right?


One day yes, but that doesn't mean the pass rushing in the game will be lowered. As far as I know, if the new code will be used pass rushing will be more effective (even after the nerf) than season 12. However "exploit" defenses will be less effective in getting to the QB.
 
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Originally posted by Staz
Can one of the mods make an announcement about this? It seems to be seeping into private forums and everything. People aren't aware that you're not tweaking the live code, you're tweaking what's in the test code.


I've mentioned it dozens of times, people would prefer to freak out about it rather than read I guess.

Hell, if people were THAT worried about it, they would look at the test server and see the 30 hurry, 15-20 sack games...but fuck that, let's ROIT.
Edited by Deathblade on Sep 28, 2009 12:59:46
 
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Originally posted by Deathblade
I've mentioned it dozens of times, people would prefer to freak out about it rather than read I guess.

Hell, if people were THAT worried about it, they would look at the test server and see the 30 hurry, 15-20 sack games...but fuck that, let's ROIT.


People are complete fools rioting over this, pure hysteria.

I only riot against the screen passes

 
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