Warrior General Games

Originally posted by snakes22
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2374983&pbp_id=6761490

25 yards to close
It would activate in that instance, but how much impact would it have? About two seconds pass between the time that the returner receives the kickoff and the tackle is made. Closing Speed is a waste of skill points on a special teams player because the benefit is marginal.

Originally posted by jdbolick

It would activate in that instance, but how much impact would it have? About two seconds pass between the time that the returner receives the kickoff and the tackle is made. Closing Speed is a waste of skill points on a special teams player because the benefit is marginal.

Right cuz getting to the ball carrier 5 yards quicker 5x a game is only 25 yards, not to mention the increased fumble potential u get flying above max speed

These head hunters getting 3 fumbles a season are really making a difference

job #1 = get to ball carrier and bring him down
job #2 = fumbles

If you think WL returners aren't built for anti fumble u are mistaken.

Originally posted by snakes22
Right cuz getting to the ball carrier 5 yards quicker 5x a game is only 25 yards, not to mention the increased fumble potential u get flying above max speed
Uhm ... even if we ignore them being blocked, getting to the returner five yards quicker would necessitate increasing speed by more than 25% (how much more depending upon the speed of the returner). Closing Speed isn't doing anywhere even remotely close to that. It probably increases speed by what would be the equivalent of between 2% and 3% assuming ~155 speed with equipment + 15 Special Teamer. So you're actually looking at less than a yard saved per return for a pretty substantial investment of skill points and/or AEQ. If Closing Speed applied throughout the kickoff or punt then maybe it would be worth it, but it doesn't. The only time I can see it being truly useful is if it helps you catch a returner from behind on a breakaway, and even that is unlikely given that Closing Speed switches off once you get close.

Originally posted by
If you think WL returners aren't built for anti fumble u are mistaken.
And yet they still do: http://goallineblitz.com/game/stats.pl?season=35&league_id=280&conference_id=0&stat=rushing&sort=fumbles&playoffs=0&stat_type=raw Heck, our returner has +16% avoid fumble AEQ and still fumbled nine times over the last two seasons in CPL.

Originally posted by StudMuffin
closing speed works on special teams?

Yup. I don't use it though on my dots... not because it doesn't work but because there's simply better stuff to have than that.

love to see teams starting at the 14
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2396421&pbp_id=1745331

http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=2529930

Does that dot have Closing Speed?

Originally posted by jdbolick
Does that dot have Closing Speed?

opened now. yeah I switched him from blitzer for his final season just to test it out

170lbs, no DvG, I doubt he forces many fumbles

Originally posted by snakes22
Originally posted by jdbolick

Does that dot have Closing Speed?

opened now. yeah I switched him from blitzer for his final season just to test it out

170lbs, no DvG, I doubt he forces many fumbles

He appears to get there at the same time as the rest of the gunners tho? 1 of them actually gets faked b4 yours tackles him

Originally posted by snakes22
opened now. yeah I switched him from blitzer for his final season just to test it out

170lbs, no DvG, I doubt he forces many fumbles
That's what I thought. If you look at the speed script you can see when Closing Speed kicks in. It is the tiny peak there before the end which is just slightly higher than his normal top speed. With Closing Speed he's running 43.16 and without it he's running 41.89. That's a 3% increase that only applies to a very short period of time. Basically, it's proving exactly what I said about Closing Speed being a giant waste of skill points on a STOP.

edit:
Kudos to me for guessing "it probably increases speed by what would be the equivalent of between 2% and 3% assuming ~155 speed" and the increase actually being 3% on a 161 speed dot.

161 speed + 15% STer + closing speed.. Its about the stack + HH

Closing Speed is adding barely anything despite a substantial investment of skill points and/or AEQ/CEQ. You now have proof that it's a terrible idea. Learn from it.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2396421&pbp_id=1744189
comes from opposite side of field and still meets ball carrier before the 20... TD!

Cant quantify x factor.. without his "3% burst" does he get the fumble recovery clean and take it to the house?

I love when Bolick proves something then proves it with math then proves it with the Sim and people still rage...

Originally posted by jdbolick

I've seen plenty of low weight fumble forcers, including mine that I posted before. Any extra weight bonus to forcing fumbles is probably negated by the extra speed from being lighter, since speed at collision is a major factor in forcing fumbles. .

^first of all ur clueless (wherido)

2nd I will stick with my statement that closing speed is essential for a STOP