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Originally posted by Kirghiz
Pro = Uncapped in new GLB lingo.

The name of the leagues should really be "National AAA" to illustrate what they are, but it's semantics.

1 WL
4 National Pro Leagues (360+)
TBD National Pro AAA (320+)
TBD Regional Semi Pro (280-320)
TBD National Semi Pro (221-280)
TBD National Minor (181-240)
TBD Regional Minor (141-200)
TBD Local Minor (101-160)
TBD University (61-120)
TBD Prep (21-80)
TBD Sophomore (1-40)
TBD Rookie (0-0)

Call them what you want, but that is how it needs to more or less look.



Might be onto something here, I'm liking the schematics.. Even if there is 6 NPL's, just change around how promotions work from TBD NPL AAA to NPL..

Originally posted by Raiders12
But you keep ignoring the fact that these top Nat Pro teams wouldn't be playing them anyway as they would be in the hemispheres and not the feeder leagues where these advanced Reg Pro would be.


Even if you take the top 8 teams from each NPL for hemispheres, there is still an ABSOLUTELY HUGE gap between those top teams remaining, and the fodder that makes up the rest of natty pro.

Not to mention the OP's suggestion sends 50% of hemisphere teams back down to own national pro every season (just like natty pro gets owned by demoting WL teams now.

The OP is simply not a fix for anything, and there are not enough high level competitive teams to fill out 9 leagues. Whether you make it 1-8 now, or 1-2-6, it changes nothing.

"The name of the leagues should really be "National AAA" to illustrate what they are, but it's semantics.

1 WL
4 National Pro Leagues (360+)
TBD National Pro AAA (320+)
TBD Regional Semi Pro (280-320)
TBD National Semi Pro (221-280)
TBD National Minor (181-240)
TBD Regional Minor (141-200)
TBD Local Minor (101-160)
TBD University (61-120)
TBD Prep (21-80)
TBD Sophomore (1-40)
TBD Rookie (0-0)"

You're right it is semantics to a great extent, but this just shows the difference between the two suggestions we have. You names pretty much show the Wise suggestions, but this would be the Catch suggestion:

1 WL
2 National Pro Hemisphere Leagues (Uncapped)
6 (or 8) National Pro Feeders (Keeping the Pro league names) (321+)
Regional Pro (280-320) (Although I think we can find better names for all the leagues below)
TBD National Semi Pro (221-280)
TBD National Minor (181-240)
TBD Regional Minor (141-200)
TBD Local Minor (101-160)
TBD University (61-120)
TBD Prep (21-80)
TBD Sophomore (1-40)
TBD Rookie (0-0)

Originally posted by BobbyCox4Pres.
Might be onto something here, I'm liking the schematics.. Even if there is 6 NPL's, just change around how promotions work from TBD NPL AAA to NPL..

You really wouldn't need 6. If you were to take the the playoff teams from Africa, and put them all into one Conference, and than take all the playoff teams from SLAP and put them in the other conference of a Southern or Atlantic League, whatever you call it, that league would be pretty good instantly. Than you demote all of the non-playoff teams down to the 320+ league. Keeping it at 4 leagues static would make Pro a goal for people again, and make reaching it a challenge.

Originally posted by WiSeIVIaN
Even if you take the top 8 teams from each NPL for hemispheres, there is still an ABSOLUTELY HUGE gap between those top teams remaining, and the fodder that makes up the rest of natty pro.

Not to mention the OP's suggestion sends 50% of hemisphere teams back down to own national pro every season (just like natty pro gets owned by demoting WL teams now.

The OP is simply not a fix for anything, and there are not enough high level competitive teams to fill out 9 leagues. Whether you make it 1-8 now, or 1-2-6, it changes nothing.

The Promo/Demo is certainly a different and bigger issues, but you idea asks for a 320 league creation (if I read right), thats what the feeder leagues would be and is really taking your idea of 4 down to 2 (hemispheres) which would help the higher competition even more than your idea imo.

535 GLB agents say NO to National Pro reorganization.

Originally posted by Kirghiz
You really wouldn't need 6. If you were to take the the playoff teams from Africa, and put them all into one Conference, and than take all the playoff teams from SLAP and put them in the other conference of a Southern or Atlantic League, whatever you call it, that league would be pretty good instantly. Than you demote all of the non-playoff teams down to the 320+ league. Keeping it at 4 leagues static would make Pro a goal for people again, and make reaching it a challenge.

See now your stepping on sacred grounds, taking out LEAGUES, with history.. If you can slide the history aside from some of these Leagues, I don't see it as a problem if it's 4 or 6.. The promotion system part would still have to be worked out.. I'm staying it's a good structure to work from..

Originally posted by Raiders12
But nothing gets better in either the Nat or Reg Pro if there isn't a second team/league restructure at -8 because these gutted roster teams shouldn't still be in either Pro league. Allow these teams to stay there with CPU rosters is one of the biggest causes to lack of competitiveness.

You are preaching to the choir on the topic of removing gutted teams from the higher levels... from page 37

Originally posted by beenlurken
Also this will still never work so long as Bort continues to not make any effort to FORCE gutted teams out of the higher levels.

Just look at OPL this season..
http://goallineblitz.com/game/team.pl?team_id=3194
http://goallineblitz.com/game/team.pl?team_id=1503
http://goallineblitz.com/game/team.pl?team_id=4548
http://goallineblitz.com/game/team.pl?team_id=4211
http://goallineblitz.com/game/team.pl?team_id=1999

That is ridiculous... all of those teams were that way early in the off-season.

That said Nat Pro and Regional Pro do get better from hemispheres despite having gutted teams. As it is now their are gutted teams, average non-competitive teams (regional pro caliber type teams) and then the top playoff teams. Remove those top teams for hemisphere and inject the best from regional pro and overall the parity the #1 team to the #12 is greatly improve.. regardless of whether there are 3 or 4 gutted teams. The league is much better off having 10 teams capable of winning a conference instead of only 2 or 3.

Originally posted by Kenshinzen
535 GLB agents say NO to National Pro reorganization.

That's a lot, and I was one.. Thanks GLB.. but it's still a pretty tight race, with what, about 200 yays more.. I also noticed there is only about 1300 votes on this, not GLB style..

Originally posted by Kenshinzen
535 GLB agents say NO to National Pro reorganization.



Almost all of those votes are voting NO on Catch's proposal...

Originally posted by beenlurken
I really wish they would lock this thread... remove the poll... start a new thread with Wise's suggestion and begin a new poll.

Originally posted by beenlurken
That said Nat Pro and Regional Pro do get better from hemispheres despite having gutted teams. As it is now their are gutted teams, average non-competitive teams (regional pro caliber type teams) and then the top playoff teams. Remove those top teams for hemisphere and inject the best from regional pro and overall the parity the #1 team to the #12 is greatly improve.. regardless of whether there are 3 or 4 gutted teams. The league is much better off having 10 teams capable of winning a conference instead of only 2 or 3.

Dude, the hemisphere thing has to stop.. Making three World Leagues let alone 2 just doesn't make any sense..

Originally posted by beenlurken
Originally posted by Kenshinzen

535 GLB agents say NO to National Pro reorganization.



Almost all of those votes are voting NO on Catch's proposal...

Originally posted by beenlurken

I really wish they would lock this thread... remove the poll... start a new thread with Wise's suggestion and begin a new poll.


True, we need a couple new ones..

Originally posted by Raiders12
But you keep ignoring the fact that these top Nat Pro teams wouldn't be playing them anyway as they would be in the hemispheres and not the feeder leagues where these advanced Reg Pro would be.

But nothing gets better in either the Nat or Reg Pro if there isn't a second team/league restructure at -8 because these gutted roster teams shouldn't still be in either Pro league. Allow these teams to stay there with CPU rosters is one of the biggest causes to lack of competitiveness.

what we are arguing is competition in pro. It's terrible and a lot of people still want to keep it the way it is and that shouldn't be.

Originally posted by BobbyCox4Pres.
Originally posted by beenlurken

That said Nat Pro and Regional Pro do get better from hemispheres despite having gutted teams. As it is now their are gutted teams, average non-competitive teams (regional pro caliber type teams) and then the top playoff teams. Remove those top teams for hemisphere and inject the best from regional pro and overall the parity the #1 team to the #12 is greatly improve.. regardless of whether there are 3 or 4 gutted teams. The league is much better off having 10 teams capable of winning a conference instead of only 2 or 3.

Dude, the hemisphere thing has to stop.. Making three World Leagues let alone 2 just doesn't make any sense..

You are just afraid your team will never be good enough to reach the hemisphere... you are one of those who thinks playing at the highest levels is something that should not have to be earned, but should be given to all teams.