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Originally posted by im4ut999
Nah, STOPs are already powerful enough. If you want a defensive STOP, use a defensive player.

In what way?

Could say the same thing about EVERY positio dominating GLB...some work some don't.

Your un-informed behind has no basis for -1, as do the rest of ya....

Originally posted by josephblitz
The next crop of returners will all have 80 carrying, avoid fumble, etc. It will even out quite nicely I think.

No it won't. Fumbles are still very frequent even in the current sim at 80 carrying, +25% NF, 15 Return Man. For this to work would require a lot of sim changes on STs to prevent FFs from getting out of control. I like the idea in theory, but it would make FFing STOPs way too common and powerful.

If it is to be done, you'd need to have the sim change and a kr/pr skill tree similar to:

Flashy Returner:
First Step-->Change Direction-->Head Fake-->Juke-->Spin

Reliable Returner:
Cover Up-->Lower the Shoulder-->Follow Your Blocker (bonus to vision check to stay behind wedge)-->Slipper (not the VA, but a bonus to avoiding direct hits on tackles; you'd still take the tackle but have less chance at being Monster or Hard Hit)-->Return Specialist

-1.

Stops are already good enough. They don't need perfect SA trees (which no other position has). You have extra SA's to help you choose the SA's you want.

Originally posted by WiSeIVIaN
-1.

Stops are already good enough. They don't need perfect SA trees (which no other position has). You have extra SA's to help you choose the SA's you want.

agreed

i like the idea of STOP trees, BUT i would make the trees geared towards block avoidance/better blocking than allowing more fumble creators and superman type returners.

Not a fan. Basically making STOP players too specialized.

Keep the options of D or O base builds, but don't combine them.

Seems like this would make ST's overpowered. I'm skeptical and will vote no...

why? I mean, you can not block field goals or block punts.

i don't think this will make STOPs overpowered, but rather make them better at pursuit, holding/breaking blocks etc. Things that most special teamers IRL work on already. Most NFL teams have a captain slot for their special teams captain, somebody that does nothing but special teams snaps. You would think we would try to give people that choose to create a dot for a thankless role more incentive.

It would also give teams more of an incentive to sign STOPs, therefore more STOP creation would occur etc.

+1

Originally posted by Spread-em offense
1.STOP is not a position
2. ST's are already out of whack imo. Current issues with wedges setting up behind the returner and such need to be fixed first
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agreed - part of the challenge of football is to make the depth chart work with the roster that you have - in the NFL outside of a few kick returners most Special Team's guys are 2nd and 3rd stringers... should be the same here -

Originally posted by Skoll Wolfrun
Not a fan. Basically making STOP players too specialized.

Keep the options of D or O base builds, but don't combine them.

Originally posted by WiSeIVIaN
-1.

Stops are already good enough. They don't need perfect SA trees (which no other position has). You have extra SA's to help you choose the SA's you want.

EVERY position has 2 options for "specialized" build trees, are you new to GLB or what??

BTW, they don't play O or D, thus they are not "base builds" as you say.....

Wow, alot of know-it-alls don't get the point of this suggestion......

Imagine if one of the QB tree options was from a LB.......doesn't make much sense to have a pocket QB with snarl SA???

Same goes with Oline STOPS using pass protect SA tree......NO F'in difference!!