Warrior General Games

Originally posted by ImTheScientist
The WL sucks...you listening Admin?

it does suck. I would rather play in a tighter forum atmosphere and scrimmage the big boys. Would lead to a lot less mergers that much is for sure!

Older teams and players are going away with less players coming to replace. Make world league half the size, one conference, top 4 play semis and final to determine winner. Make pros 14 or 12 teams per conference and then fill in the rest according to original post. There will be that many going away anyway. That way the numbers can catch up.

Originally posted by Dpride59
it does suck. I would rather play in a tighter forum atmosphere and scrimmage the big boys. Would lead to a lot less mergers that much is for sure!

Catch himself said it sucks....not sure why they keep going with it. Even most the WL would tell you GO BACK TO PRO LEAGUEs, scrim the other league teams, and have a tournament at the end of the year.

It leads to more debate, and better forums. The turnover in the WL really makes it a crappy place. I would demote but Bort/Catch told me I couldn't unless I was gutting.

Cycling tournament/ladder/etc. system instead of WL, imo. Just a rotation to keep things fresh with some variety. You could have a double elimination tournament one season, a ladder the following, and then a world cup style the next.

Make it free and include as many teams from the Pro level as possible. If the new programmer could work on a built-in tourney system with pick'ems, standings pages, brackets, etc. it'd be uber, too.

Originally posted by ImTheScientist
Originally posted by Dpride59

it does suck. I would rather play in a tighter forum atmosphere and scrimmage the big boys. Would lead to a lot less mergers that much is for sure!

Catch himself said it sucks....not sure why they keep going with it. Even most the WL would tell you GO BACK TO PRO LEAGUEs, scrim the other league teams, and have a tournament at the end of the year.

It leads to more debate, and better forums. The turnover in the WL really makes it a crappy place. I would demote but Bort/Catch told me I couldn't unless I was gutting.

So basically you are saying that you play this game for the forums? You are going to try and tell me that if we sent Gunny, Mayan, and Kai back to SLAP that you wouldnt be even more bored with less competition? Yes... I know... the WL is not comprised of all of all of the best current teams but you can not deny that the competition there is unmatched by the Pro leagues.

People forget that elite teams outside of USA and Canada wanted to leave their region for better competition. People forget the West Scranton scandal when they were allowed to leave OPL because they were bored there (I dont blame them... there were hardly any teams to challenge them there... obviously tournaments was not enough to want to keep them in that situation... and this was back when OPL was easily the 3rd best region or at worst 4th best).

The reason the WL is not working as it should has a lot to do with the fact that there are teams there that are not as competitive as they could be (once were) because of having to deal with decline (something the Kai does not have to worry much about with the vast network).

I applaud the discussion of adding some restructuring to the leagues but why stop at the higher levels only. Forcing teams to jump 2 caps isnt IMO a great Ideal. If a team fits under cap X they should be allowed to play in the cap. They should not be penalized for winning. I like the Elite/competitive/normal leagues as this is how the better teams are separated from the teams that may not be as good or game plan as well and where the competitive games come in, good team vs good team,decent vs decent,etc. If you are in the title game go to elite or even say the top 4 teams,other playoff teams competitive ,the rest normal.If a team can continue to win Gold in elite each season then so be it,they are good. Not a big fan of the cap 4 and 18 leagues but I do feel those leagues help out the non boosting teams far more then boosting teams.

Also... I really think the WL has really allowed regions outside of USAPL and CPL to catch up some (sure it helped to have the season 1/2 dots finally retire but that is not the only factor).

If there was no WL... would Alpine have left USA to take an easier path to the WL. If there was no WL I know our rebuild team would have chosen USA instead of returning back to OPL.

Whether you guys admit it or not the WL has helped other regions develop. No, the process is not complete but there is more balance now at least.

Originally posted by beenlurken
So basically you are saying that you play this game for the forums? You are going to try and tell me that if we sent Gunny, Mayan, and Kai back to SLAP that you wouldnt be even more bored with less competition?


if there wasn't a world league, the kai wouldn't have the quality of roster they have. The only reason they got all of the dots they have this season is because they're playing at the highest level of the game.

Originally posted by Dpride59
Originally posted by beenlurken

So basically you are saying that you play this game for the forums? You are going to try and tell me that if we sent Gunny, Mayan, and Kai back to SLAP that you wouldnt be even more bored with less competition?


if there wasn't a world league, the kai wouldn't have the quality of roster they have. The only reason they got all of the dots they have this season is because they're playing at the highest level of the game.

So then those quality dots go back to USA and CPL... those regions get built back up and the other regions go back to being 2nd rate... is that what you really want?

With no WL... USA becomes the WL... the most desired region where the best dots will want to play. Please explain to me why this would not be so...

Originally posted by beenlurken
With no WL... USA becomes the WL... the most desired region where the best dots will want to play. Please explain to me why this would not be so...

Not true.Originally posted by beenlurken
So basically you are saying that you play this game for the forums? You are going to try and tell me that if we sent Gunny, Mayan, and Kai back to SLAP that you wouldnt be even more bored with less competition? Yes... I know... the WL is not comprised of all of all of the best current teams but you can not deny that the competition there is unmatched by the Pro leagues.

People forget that elite teams outside of USA and Canada wanted to leave their region for better competition. People forget the West Scranton scandal when they were allowed to leave OPL because they were bored there (I dont blame them... there were hardly any teams to challenge them there... obviously tournaments was not enough to want to keep them in that situation... and this was back when OPL was easily the 3rd best region or at worst 4th best).

The reason the WL is not working as it should has a lot to do with the fact that there are teams there that are not as competitive as they could be (once were) because of having to deal with decline (something the Kai does not have to worry much about with the vast network).



90% forums, 10% game for me.

Originally posted by ImTheScientist
Not true.
How? It was before... why wouldnt history repeat itself?


Originally posted by ImTheScientist
90% forums, 10% game for me.
I think its fair to say you are in the minority... considering the majority (according to Bort) is of the non-vocal avoid the forums variety.

ETA: They must be mostly playing for the gaming aspect not the social aspect

Originally posted by ImTheScientist
Originally posted by beenlurken

With no WL... USA becomes the WL... the most desired region where the best dots will want to play. Please explain to me why this would not be so...

Not true.

The toughest leagues were basically in their places due to their age. I'm with ITS in that I don't think USAPL would just takeover.

Certainly people would still have a bias towards the USA region, but promoting teams would still fill evenly, so I don't think it matters, tbh.

Originally posted by Mat McBriar
Originally posted by ImTheScientist

Originally posted by beenlurken


With no WL... USA becomes the WL... the most desired region where the best dots will want to play. Please explain to me why this would not be so...

Not true.

The toughest leagues were basically in their places due to their age. I'm with ITS in that I don't think USAPL would just takeover.

Certainly people would still have a bias towards the USA region, but promoting teams would still fill evenly, so I don't think it matters, tbh.

In the new system yes... the regional identities are being killed with this new system as there is no guarantee your team working its way up reaches your region of preference. Sure ITS could care less because he never plans on dropping below SLAP....

If we kept things they way they are dots would gravitate back to USA and kill the other regions without the WL.

ETA: and if for some reason Kai did drop below SLAP I would imagine he would not be concerned with Kai getting their preference to return back to SLAP

I like the idea of promoting teams to the next level based on the highest level player on their team vs. the promotions based on their success. It would be hard for a team to be a serious contender without boosting a fair number of players so this would control that they move up. It also removes incentive for teams to intentionally lose which really hurts the game. If lack of success puts you in a better position the following season teams will gladly accept a missed playoff finish to ensure a great next year because the benefit outweighs the cost. Furthermore, reward success a little more heavily to give incentive for teams to be as competitive as possible.

While promoting teams based on their highest level player, continue to try and match them into elite leagues, competitive, etc. base on their results. Also, try and promote teams from the same league together (pending their highest level players are equivilent).
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The way for teams to become more competitive should be to improve strategy & recruiting...not by gaming promotions between the caps. If a team fails to work towards improvement then they should be allowed to suck every year. Likewise, if a team is good they should be allowed to be good until someone can beat them on a level playing field and not punished for success.

It really isn't fun for teams to out level their players because in order to stay competitive they have to either re-tool their roster constantly, or have an "off-season" by not trying, or doing a 1 level promotion.