Warrior General Games

Originally posted by jdbolick
Originally posted by SCACE

I think StoutOne answered this earlier in the thread, but I haven't seen official comment from Bort.
I believe that StoutOne speculated earlier in this thread, which means little.

It was officially answered somewhere in Hazy's thread. It counts EQ and permenant VAs that apply all game, such as Quick and Streaky. It does not include situational VAs, such as Pass Rusher/Blocker or Overtime Killer.

Originally posted by pottsman
It was officially answered somewhere in Hazy's thread. It counts EQ and permenant VAs that apply all game, such as Quick and Streaky. It does not include situational VAs, such as Pass Rusher/Blocker or Overtime Killer.
What about Protector?

Originally posted by jdbolick

What about Protector?

Protector applies all game, so I'd hazard a guess that it is included.

Originally posted by SCACE
Protector applies all game, so I'd hazard a guess that it is included.
I just read through that botched abortion of a thread (thanks again mods for forcing all discussion to be confined so that we have 70+ page threads), and hazy suggested that Protector wouldn't be counted. Ultimately, though, we really need an explanation from Bort himself, since hazy might be wrong about all of this.

Originally posted by David Stern

Overtime happens less than 1 time per season .6 per season or something,

Lol at hb/fb abusing goal line back lol.... A lot better vas than using that to be a blocker....

Power backs have to invest 15 in a va' to lower lbers energy at a 30% chance of firing...... Lbers don't usually have stamina issues as it is and most teams carry 55 players......

You are way off base here dude.





I wish you would take more time to understand other's concerns are before trying to create some argument they aren't making in order to humiliate people and raise yourself up. Rather than trying to be the first to throw out your opinion all the time, why not get a feel for their real concerns before you dismiss everyone. You're not the only person on GLB analyzing how things work. I appreciate you wanting to share your insight, but you're acting like a dick over something that wasn't even my concern. It seems giving a dickish response is the only way you know how to communicate with others. I take it you're more of a waiting for his turn to talk kind of guy, instead of actually listening to others right?

Anyway, here are my concerns spelled out a little differently:

1. I didn't say people would "abuse" (take Goalline Back) just to pass block, I'm responding to it buffing something that doesn't need to be buffed. There are backs with 15 in goalline back already. Why give them a bonus to their strength and agility while pass blocking when the intention is probably to make them stronger and agile carrying the ball inside the 5? It was just a random thought, no need for you to get all LOL about it and create some strawman argument just to try to embarrass me. You're response has nothing to do with my post. I don't think people are going to take that VA just to be a better pass blocker - never said they would.

2. I don't care if it is a 30% chance, if you're a running team that runs 40-50 times a game this is going to affect the D. I think the Dline will take the brunt of the damage against a back with this VA, not the LBs. DTs will make some tackles this season with all the new stuff. Maybe it will be a niche VA for certain teams, but I think it hurts the Dline more than anyone else. I wasn't even thinking LBs in my post because they're not constantly battling guys Olineman every play after an energy sap.

Maybe you're right that it won't affect LBs. I'm mostly interested in the potential Dline energy hits. A VA like that should probably have a more narrow scope of who they are punishing, or at least who can do the punishing. Maybe it is meant to be an all style of backs VA. I guess Barry Sanders punished runners by making them chase him all over the field. I think energy is damn important for the Dline, and they are going to make more tackles this season so this VA has some potential. If you don't think it is worth taking because it doesn't do anything to who you think it is targeting (LBs), then make it worth taking by having it work more frequently on a select group of players like LBs and SS. The increase in tackles this season from the Dline makes it an interesting proposition to throw 15 into Punishing Runner on both HBs if you run 50 times a game. Energy and the MS change should create some interesting second halfs.

3. I'd be surprised if 1 pt in OT Killer doesn't become a team strategy. It creates a situation where you're hurt by not putting 1 into it for at least some positions like QB, HB, kicker. It sucks to lose in OT once you're above AAA. In the Pros you're not guaranteed 10 wins just for putting together a semi-competent 55 man roster. Of course, there's a low chance you'll get into an OT game, but that 5% would help a lot. It's just 1 VA point for 5%. Sounds like something you'd want to put on a kicker, QB, WR because it helps that last play in the 4th quarter with < 20 seconds left. How many kicks are made in the last 20 seconds?

Originally posted by jdbolick
(thanks again mods for forcing all discussion to be confined so that we have 70+ page threads),

You really would prefer 10 different 7 page threads, with different people posting different information in them?

Originally posted by jdbolick

I just read through that botched abortion of a thread (thanks again mods for forcing all discussion to be confined so that we have 70+ page threads), and hazy suggested that Protector wouldn't be counted. Ultimately, though, we really need an explanation from Bort himself, since hazy might be wrong about all of this.

Man, that makes no sense if he is correct. Why would some all-game VA's count but not others? this shit is confusing.

Originally posted by pottsman
You really would prefer 10 different 7 page threads, with different people posting different information in them?
Yes, as those threads could be devoted to different topics. We could have a Technique Man thread, a Bull Rusher thread, etc. Instead I'm clicking through 70 pages while trying to guess with "Find" what words will find the areas of discussion I'm looking for. It's complete insanity.


Originally posted by SCACE
Man, that makes no sense if he is correct. Why would some all-game VA's count but not others? this shit is confusing.
No kidding. My brain is frying from trying to assimilate all this information at the start of a new season. We really need Bort himself to answer questions about each new or changed VA, although even then I'm not sure that he really knows what's going on.

Originally posted by SCACE
Originally posted by jdbolick


I just read through that botched abortion of a thread (thanks again mods for forcing all discussion to be confined so that we have 70+ page threads), and hazy suggested that Protector wouldn't be counted. Ultimately, though, we really need an explanation from Bort himself, since hazy might be wrong about all of this.

Man, that makes no sense if he is correct. Why would some all-game VA's count but not others? this shit is confusing.

Protector's situational. That situation being "left side". It would not be in effect on special teams, nor would it be in effect if you also play RT.
VAs that are all game (relevant to lineman interactions, unnoficial list) - Attribute VAs, Streaky, Hometown Hero, HoC, Mentor, Natural Leader, Stone Wall, Showboat Blocker, Bull Rusher, Intimidation, Heavyweight, JTS, Never Give Up, Towering Man.
If any of those have an agility component, then it counts. If they don't, assume that it doesn't.

Originally posted by pottsman
It was officially answered somewhere in Hazy's thread. It counts EQ and permenant VAs that apply all game, such as Quick and Streaky. It does not include situational VAs, such as Pass Rusher/Blocker or Overtime Killer.

Thanks for clarifying that in this thread.

I think Technique Man is going to be a very nice VA for aglity and combo DTs.

Originally posted by pottsman
If any of those have an agility component, then it counts. If they don't, assume that it doesn't.
Again, no offense, but your word on this means absolutely nothing. We need Bort himself to specifically address each of these VAs. If he doesn't have time for an extensive Q&A then these VAs shouldn't be going in at all.

Originally posted by jdbolick
Originally posted by pottsman

If any of those have an agility component, then it counts. If they don't, assume that it doesn't.
Again, no offense, but your word on this means absolutely nothing. We need Bort himself to specifically address each of these VAs. If he doesn't have time for an extensive Q&A then these VAs shouldn't be going in at all.


He did last night. Protector doesn't count in it.

Originally posted by Adderfist
He did last night. Protector doesn't count in it.
Where? Hazy said that it doesn't count, but hazy isn't Bort.

Originally posted by jdbolick
Originally posted by Adderfist

He did last night. Protector doesn't count in it.
Where? Hazy said that it doesn't count, but hazy isn't Bort.

He spoke with him about it last night. Sorry. Not digging through the thread to find the exact quote.

Why the change to Go To Guy? It's terrible now. Why bort? Why?!?!

Originally posted by Adderfist
He spoke with him about it last night. Sorry. Not digging through the thread to find the exact quote.
I did dig for it, and it was hazy, not Bort. He also gave no indication that the information was from Bort.