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Originally posted by drifter
Originally posted by joemalaka

Originally posted by billyvassi


Originally posted by Ballbright



Yeah, after the original billyvassi controversy I did some research and saw that they had acquired players from that team. While I had originally tried to defend Billy, I am now of the opinion that he does need to be suspended/banned for collusion, as well as any team owner he colluded with.


Explain how trading a level 12 HB for a level 12 CB is collusion? Collusion is depleting one team to build up another team.

Inactive player was traded. That is the issue!!!

Inactive player traded to an inactive team.



You were doing Ok until that post.

Originally posted by drifter
Originally posted by joemalaka

Originally posted by billyvassi


Originally posted by Ballbright



Yeah, after the original billyvassi controversy I did some research and saw that they had acquired players from that team. While I had originally tried to defend Billy, I am now of the opinion that he does need to be suspended/banned for collusion, as well as any team owner he colluded with.


Explain how trading a level 12 HB for a level 12 CB is collusion? Collusion is depleting one team to build up another team.

Inactive player was traded. That is the issue!!!

Inactive player traded to an inactive team.



Thus why the Bandits got the better end of the deal! Thank you for putting it finally into perspective.

Bandits did not pay the inactive player. They needed a good backup CB that was active. They traded an inactive that was not playing for thus player.

Originally posted by joemalaka
Originally posted by Ballbright

Originally posted by billyvassi


Originally posted by Ballbright





Billy exploited a situation he shouldn't have for his team's personal gain.

Period, end of story.



Which has nothing to do with the Bandits. I IMed catspaw and asked if he would like that CB, he said yes and offered a fair trade for him of equal levels. He didn't even know I was gutting a team.



It has everything to do with the Bandits you moron...you have just admitted to collusion. You IM'd a team you are on in an attempt to trade them a player (without putting him on the market, thus giving the Bandits an exclusive shot at him) in an effort to better them.

That IS COLLUSION...by definition...continue trying your weak little justifications all you want, you're wrong and you just make yourself look even more like you were trying to cheat from the get go...

DING DING DING!! Winner winner winner!


Nonsense. By your definition any time two people have a conversation about trading players, that is collusion.

Originally posted by drifter
Originally posted by Ballbright

Originally posted by drifter



Responding irrationally to someone else being irrational rarely gets results. Making threats from a position of inferior leverage is also not a great tactic.

I get that, and as pointed out above, said it isn't my preferred tactic.

But trying to paint Joe in the light your team is trying to paint him here is just wrong. The guy tried to do the right thing, and you guys fucked him.

It's his right to respond any which way he wants, we still have free speech laws here in America (barely). The Bandits, and especially BillyVassi, were wrong in this on sooo many levels.

The fact that they had an otherwise untarnished season makes it worse. What was once a respectable team (with some retarded players yes DAMAN I'm talking about you...) has been tarnished.

I'm a firm believer in punishing to the full extent, and making an example so others don't follow...

..for the Bandit's sake you'd better hope Bort isn't...


First off, Free Speech as granted by the 1st Amendment has nothing to do with posting on a forum. I hate when people try and make that point.

How is what Joe did by posting in the forum, "The Right Thing". I don't necessarily think it was "The Wrong Thing", but it certainly wasn't some great and noble intention, either.

He can and did respond any way he wanted, but just because you can does not mean you should - especially if actually want to achieve your desired result.

Nothing is tarnished by this. The trade for 1 player was hardly of great impact to anything and if true collusion was going on, there would have been many players traded. You have a chip on your shoulder against the bandits and it is either clouding your judgment, or you are willfully taking advantage of the situation to push your own agenda.


You traded two players. Get your own facts straight.

Originally posted by wombat killer
Originally posted by drifter

Originally posted by joemalaka


Originally posted by billyvassi



Originally posted by Ballbright




Yeah, after the original billyvassi controversy I did some research and saw that they had acquired players from that team. While I had originally tried to defend Billy, I am now of the opinion that he does need to be suspended/banned for collusion, as well as any team owner he colluded with.


Explain how trading a level 12 HB for a level 12 CB is collusion? Collusion is depleting one team to build up another team.

Inactive player was traded. That is the issue!!!

Inactive player traded to an inactive team.



You were doing Ok until that post.

The admins have already looked at the Billy Vassi situation and determined that there was nothing wrong with it. To try and insist otherwise is beating a dead horse.

Originally posted by billyvassi
Originally posted by joemalaka


WOW WOW WOW!! I did not threaten to sabotage the team. After I was banned I wrote Catspaw. He said I was benched. After I was told I was benched I said I would not put any points into my player. AFTER!! I have the PM's stating this.

Talk about spreading mis-information.

I reached out to you in a PM and tried to clear this up. I was against you being forum-banned or benched, and I told cats that. I went out of my way to try to answer any questions you had and address any of your concerns. I really don't understand what you're doing right now.

You reached out BEFORE I knew about the traded players. I told Catspaw you responded to me and it was a good one. Catspaw continued to ignore my PM's and didn't reply to me about it. I said good things about you to him (before I knew about the trades to the Bandits).

My response above was about the lies that Drifter said about me threatening to sabotage the team.

Originally posted by joemalaka

What about the team that your players and the other GM ended up on (same team)?

There was no other GM. You mean the DC? He went to an entirely different team. Not sure what you're talking about here.

Originally posted by
What about the players not traded and left on a gutted team? Fair for them?

Unfortunately there were no trade offers for them before the deadline. I did my best.

Originally posted by
What about trading two players to The Bandits, one of them being a CB that the Bandits stated they needed for the playoffs?

I've already explained that.

Originally posted by
Was that the first offer you got (your forum post stated you traded players to the first team you got an offer from)?

Was Catspaw given a heads up on what was happening before anyone else?


Catspaw didn't know what was happening at all, much less before anyone else.

The Bandits knowingly traded inactive players for active ones to better themselves, after being contacted by a guy on their team who happened to have the ability to pull of the trade as a GM for the other team. It IS collusion. Period.

You can cry and whine, and claim that other people have it out for you, and try to marginalize the cheating by saying things about impact, but in the end that's what it boils down to. Cheating is cheating. Just like stealing a pack of gum is still stealing.

I'd rather have the team I just took over go without a win for the next 20 years, than stoop to what you guys employ.

Ohhhh, drama, this league needed a good spygate to get the buzz rolling before the playoffs.

@ Ballbright stop being such a pussy. Your collusion rhetoric is weak considering the actual trade that went down and how very little this trade matters in the overall scheme of Bandit Football. Go find something better to do.

@ Mojo, after your post in the internal forums a lot of the team including bilyvassi stood up for you and asked for you to be reinstated, I think its fair to say you wont be returning to the lineup after this most recent batch of sour grapes.

Originally posted by billyvassi
To get a good idea how honest his post is, consider that the "stacked" team he said I traded myself to is 1-12.

Billy don't even try to right this, what you did was dirty and low. It is the owner's choice if he wants to trade the players or not, I always let guys who want to go but if he did not want to you should not stand in his way. You destroyed his team and you deserve to be banned. I hope your players get stuck on a team with a bad owner or taken off the DC because what you did was totally wrong and you are a piece of crap for ruining a team the guy paid for. I think you should have to pay him the FPs he paid for the team.

Originally posted by joemalaka
Originally posted by billyvassi

Originally posted by joemalaka



WOW WOW WOW!! I did not threaten to sabotage the team. After I was banned I wrote Catspaw. He said I was benched. After I was told I was benched I said I would not put any points into my player. AFTER!! I have the PM's stating this.

Talk about spreading mis-information.

I reached out to you in a PM and tried to clear this up. I was against you being forum-banned or benched, and I told cats that. I went out of my way to try to answer any questions you had and address any of your concerns. I really don't understand what you're doing right now.

You reached out BEFORE I knew about the traded players. I told Catspaw you responded to me and it was a good one. Catspaw continued to ignore my PM's and didn't reply to me about it. I said good things about you to him (before I knew about the trades to the Bandits).

My response above was about the lies that Drifter said about me threatening to sabotage the team.

I have not lied in any of this and am greatly offended at the accusation you weaselly piece of shit.

If what I said is not true (that you did not threaten to sabotage your player), then I have been mislead. If Catspaw would weigh in that would be helpful.

Originally posted by drifter
Originally posted by joemalaka

Originally posted by billyvassi


Originally posted by joemalaka




WOW WOW WOW!! I did not threaten to sabotage the team. After I was banned I wrote Catspaw. He said I was benched. After I was told I was benched I said I would not put any points into my player. AFTER!! I have the PM's stating this.

Talk about spreading mis-information.

I reached out to you in a PM and tried to clear this up. I was against you being forum-banned or benched, and I told cats that. I went out of my way to try to answer any questions you had and address any of your concerns. I really don't understand what you're doing right now.

You reached out BEFORE I knew about the traded players. I told Catspaw you responded to me and it was a good one. Catspaw continued to ignore my PM's and didn't reply to me about it. I said good things about you to him (before I knew about the trades to the Bandits).

My response above was about the lies that Drifter said about me threatening to sabotage the team.

I have not lied in any of this and am greatly offended at the accusation you weaselly piece of shit.

If what I said is not true (that you did not threaten to sabotage your player), then I have been mislead. If Catspaw would weigh in that would be helpful.



You jumped quickly to calling me a liar, yet you get offended when I say you lied? WTF? Come on now.

Originally posted by jrry32
Originally posted by billyvassi

To get a good idea how honest his post is, consider that the "stacked" team he said I traded myself to is 1-12.

Billy don't even try to right this, what you did was dirty and low. It is the owner's choice if he wants to trade the players or not, I always let guys who want to go but if he did not want to you should not stand in his way. You destroyed his team and you deserve to be banned. I hope your players get stuck on a team with a bad owner or taken off the DC because what you did was totally wrong and you are a piece of crap for ruining a team the guy paid for. I think you should have to pay him the FPs he paid for the team.

I used the post by a player on the team you gutted. Did you respond to his post? I hadn't seen it. Respond to that guys acquastions and then I might change my opinion.

Originally posted by jrry32
I always let guys who want to go but if he did not want to you should not stand in his way.

He didn't say he didn't want me to, he was inactive. He gave me the ability to trade players.

Originally posted by badkarma
Ohhhh, drama, this league needed a good spygate to get the buzz rolling before the playoffs.

@ Ballbright stop being such a pussy. Your collusion rhetoric is weak considering the actual trade that went down and how very little this trade matters in the overall scheme of Bandit Football. Go find something better to do.

@ Mojo, after your post in the internal forums a lot of the team including bilyvassi stood up for you and asked for you to be reinstated, I think its fair to say you wont be returning to the lineup after this most recent batch of sour grapes.

I appreciate people standing up to me. Honestly I am.

Catspaw decided to get in a pissing contest with me and then ignore me. No chance after that.