Warrior General Games

Originally posted by BigRatUno
Your wife doesn't talk in her sleep does she?

Oh shit you're crotchlessman she keeps chuckling about in her dreams. Its a good legacy you built.

Originally posted by SmithsterSmitty
Oh shit you're crotchlessman she keeps chuckling about in her dreams. Its a good legacy you built.



That's actually me

Bort, Just curious about two things here and thought I better ask and post cause I will not remember if I don't post.

1st this is when you bring the new changes out will they be implemented on day 40 of this season when most agents start making dots for next season or when season 100 rolls around.

Second thing is the dots that we made in season 99 is we retire them we get a full refund, correct?
If we keep the dots past this season keeping them until they start their decline will we still get the full refund or does that refund option only last until the end of this season?

Originally posted by Bort

Any other thoughts or ideas out there?
https://glb.warriorgeneral.com/game/announcement.pl?id=927

What's the Deal with the Current Season's Teams and Players?
Since we will be changing the build system in the future, all players created this season will receive a 100% flex point refund on retirement. Non peewee teams will also have the option to reset and roll their ownership into the next season's leagues. Peewee teams will continue as they have in the past, but I would like to add a new peewee-only type player that can reset to level 1 over and over along with the team, to keep the classic peewee vibe.

I don't understand the attachment disorder. Everyone knew going in that these were temporary dots who would get a 100% refund.

Just either retire them as intended for the 100% refund, or keep them, let them be screwed up vs the current system, and lose that 100% refund eligibility.

I don't see why it needs to be so hard.

If dots are going to be fully grown in 3 seasons, then current dots will have get 2 more seasons using the new progression.

Fwiw, I'd prefer 4 seasons of growth. High school is 4 years, college is 4 years. GLB should be 4 "years" IMHO. Growing is the fun part for dot builders. Plateau is the fun part for coordinators.

So we're talking options then. Not a fan of the "my way or the highway" crowd when it'd be pretty easy to just have it both ways and (mostly) everyone happy.
Some want to recycle and start new next season. I built my dots that way so I'm one of them. But some did NOT and fully planned on keeping going. There's little reason (unless dot building changes enough to cause issues) they shouldn't be able to play it their way.
Some want no change. Keep the old system. Some want accelerated dot starts to bypass rookie and get going faster. I don't see why both cannot happen. Simply have a check box at the very start of dot creation expressing your desire to build 'old school' without accelerated starting and "boom". There ya go.
As for accelerated starting, I think Bort already has the answer staring him in the face. What he did to get THIS season started... allowing dots to boost (3x more) up during preseason and pro-rating TP's worked fine (so far). Just extend that for a full season at start of dot creation. Give all the necessary TP's and allow all the necessary boosting to have a finished rookie dot (level 19) ready to go. Wouldn't need to change anything we already do. VP's wouldn't need any changing... badda bing, badda boom. Everybody (well... most everybody) happy.

Originally posted by TJ Spikes

Fwiw, I'd prefer 4 seasons of growth. High school is 4 years, college is 4 years. GLB should be 4 "years" IMHO. Growing is the fun part for dot builders. Plateau is the fun part for coordinators.


Under the past system, start to finish was 416 actual days.
Under the plan Sluggy laid out 3 seasons would be 156 days and 4 seasons would be 205.
At 205 days that would be conveniently about half the past, IMHO a good compromise between builders, coordinators those who do both. That's also a lot of time for tweaking builds within what I would consider to be fixable. (otherwise retire & rebuild) The shorter time to find out something isn't working helps new players be less frustrated, I feel.

One important note on the plans that I think should be clarified concerns game XP. The plan, for convenience i believe, lists the varying XP by season but in the past XP for games was based on the players current level. I feel that it is important to continue to be based on player level so if games are missed early, the player can still make up the XP and hit the cap of 48,000.

Also the option of boosting at creation or not boosting should be preserved with the ability to still get to 30 boosts if one doesn't boost before season 1 starts. It gives variation in builds strategies.

Lord help me....I'm starting to get back into this game...

Originally posted by TJ Spikes


Fwiw, I'd prefer 4 seasons of growth. High school is 4 years, college is 4 years. GLB should be 4 "years" IMHO. Growing is the fun part for dot builders. Plateau is the fun part for coordinators.


+1

I think it seems like Bort already decide new build length and is working through the actual mechanics (which is great).

Personally I am definitely in the 3 ssn camper (lets you test and try out more builds more quickly, still takes almost 6mo to build a dot which is a pretty darn long time still).

But at the end of the day, I think the 3-camp and the 4-camp should be prepared to accept whichever result comes from the ballot box, as it'll be a big improvement and not that different in the grand scheme.

Originally posted by WiSeIVIaN
I think it seems like Bort already decide new build length and is working through the actual mechanics (which is great).

Personally I am definitely in the 3 ssn camper (lets you test and try out more builds more quickly, still takes almost 6mo to build a dot which is a pretty darn long time still).

But at the end of the day, I think the 3-camp and the 4-camp should be prepared to accept whichever result comes from the ballot box, as it'll be a big improvement and not that different in the grand scheme.

i am torn, i'm in the minority, but i think rapid dot building can have a negative effect on the userbase. most people play here because dot building is the fun part.

Originally posted by blackrock
I'm in favor of a full reset. Let's have everyone start fresh under the new system. The existing dots will be advantaged or disadvantaged one way or another - its just going to be impossible to make them perfectly equal in every way.

This. Best to have everyone start on the same footing.

Also, I specifically sat this season out BECAUSE it was initially announced this season was going to be one-and-done. Had I known back on Day -8 that these dots might be allowed to continue, I might have approached this season differently.

Originally posted by GroupOh
i am torn, i'm in the minority, but i think rapid dot building can have a negative effect on the userbase. most people play here because dot building is the fun part.

I don't think the 'old' is the minority. The game has survived and thrived 15 RL years with the slow build. I can already tell by the current rookie crop, they are a hair less quality than the old style due to the accelerated offseason building scheme and the odd boosting it required

Originally posted by King of Bling
I don't think the 'old' is the minority. The game has survived and thrived 15 RL years with the slow build. I can already tell by the current rookie crop, they are a hair less quality than the old style due to the accelerated offseason building scheme and the odd boosting it required

i think the long term builds under this seasons rules should be minimally better. i dont believe we lost any training points and we boost 8 days later...

my thought is more along the lines of, i think if they accelerate the growth,maybe they should get retired sooner. coaches will always have plenty to do. i just think its possible... if a dot is grown at 120, and retires at 480... thats a real long time for that agent to have nothing to do, except va resets once a season.

i'm going along with whatever they do, but i'm not convinced less dot building time is the answer. i would look at boosting the initial creation attributes to make rookie more enjoyable for the guys who hate it.

Originally posted by GroupOh
i am torn, i'm in the minority, but i think rapid dot building can have a negative effect on the userbase. most people play here because dot building is the fun part.

If the building process takes 3 seasons, that is still close to 5 months to build a player. I wouldn't exactly call that rapid dot building, but it is better than 13 months.

Originally posted by Little M
If the building process takes 3 seasons, that is still close to 5 months to build a player. I wouldn't exactly call that rapid dot building, but it is better than 13 months.

i get that, especially for world league coordinators... i just wonder about the guy that builds a dot for one of our teams. he builds a dot for almost 5 months... how long until he has something to do again? i'm not opposed to things changing.. i just dont think i would add to the number of plateau seasons and keep that at 5. i think some people may check out with a 9 season plateau.

Originally posted by GroupOh
i get that, especially for world league coordinators... i just wonder about the guy that builds a dot for one of our teams. he builds a dot for almost 5 months... how long until he has something to do again? i'm not opposed to things changing.. i just dont think i would add to the number of plateau seasons and keep that at 5. i think some people may check out with a 9 season plateau.


I understand what you are saying and I like building players as well (more than coordinating). That is why I won't be spending all of my flex in Season 100. I will keep some so I can build players in subsequent seasons.