Warrior General Games

Clearly I have lost my mind, because I decided to figure out what it might look like if the build process was just sped up to 3 seasons before plateau instead of 7.

All the details are in this Google Sheet, it should be open for anyone to view:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ycNnPfC3J3cdZeCrNGsMrBCf3UC3W580owGiaFIimhs/edit?usp=sharing

The TL/DR:

For training, you'd have to triple daily TP to 6 per day all the way through the end of season 2, and then double it to 4 per day through season 3 and into plateau (plus add 4 TP to the initial level given, make it 12 instead of 8 TP upon creation). This would get you to 420 trains, which is exactly how many dots get today.

For XP/leveling, I thought it wouldn't be good to bump up game XP to a level that would potentially made a dot jump 2 levels with one game's worth of XP, to avoid that potential headache for dot-builders, so game XP would be 700 per game in season 1, 600 per game in season 2, and 450 per game in season 3. Daily XP would just be 200 per day, days 1-40, of each of the first 3 seasons.

Boosting would be: up to 5 boosts by day 0 of your first season (like Bort is doing for this season), then 7 boosts each for seasons 1-3 usable by day 48, and 4 boosts when the dot enters the 4th preseason (which will now be just before plateau starts), with up to 5 boosts becoming available on day 0 or whatever happens now with those up to 3 additional boosts that become available if folks missed any.

Dots could simply stop getting XP when they reach 48,000 XP accrued from anything other than boosting (to keep them from going above level 79 with the 30 boosts), which would happen at level 68, roughly, right around the same time as now. This would slightly limit the top level for non-boosters, I think, but not by much, and it would be a lot simpler to understand than the rolling boost caps in place now.

To keep the end Veteran points level at 72 (which is the max that you can get on a current dot), it would work the same way, you get 2 VP on day 1 of your dot's second season, and then 800 VP per day, stepping up to eventually get to 1,000 VP per day during its third season.

I guess this is just a proof of concept, so feel free to look at it and try to find where I did something completely wrong, but I think I reworked everything correctly, and it really would cut down on the worst doldrums, the later seasons where dots aren't leveling up very quickly any longer...

EDIT: I forgot to say that I also incorporated Bort wanting to cut down the offseason a bit, so the seasons would now run from day -4 to day 44, so slightly shorter but not impossible for recruiting/dot-building, especially with the first boosts being available all the way through day 0 of a dot's first season. Also, plateau could be extended to 6 or 7 seasons or whatever was desired without affecting anything, obviously.

I'm going to have to read this when I'm not tired.

I am just going to let the geniuses figure this out and build my crappy dots.

BTW... I have a new found respect for Sluggy.

I wish I had time to dig into this. Stupid job. Stupid end-of-month report deadlines.

This is pretty good stuff. I would need to double check your math but it looks probably right. Interesting that it would simplify a couple of things to make them easier to understand and probably scale point gains more sanely as well.

I'm thinking we'd have to increase the amount of training points you can bank before it cuts you off as well, since you'd be getting more. You would hit 14 points pretty quickly if you're not auto training.

Originally posted by Bort
This is pretty good stuff. I would need to double check your math but it looks probably right. Interesting that it would simplify a couple of things to make them easier to understand and probably scale point gains more sanely as well.

I'm thinking we'd have to increase the amount of training points you can bank before it cuts you off as well, since you'd be getting more. You would hit 14 points pretty quickly if you're not auto training.

Yeah, I didn't call out the training point bank thing, but I remember thinking that it would definitely need to go up quite a bit, maybe to 30 points when not on a team during the season, 50 points if on a team during the season, something similar to that.

One other thing I did think of - I don't know if the autotrain function would be able to handle more than 2 TP per day, the way it's currently written. If I'm not mistaken, I've tried setting autotrain before for light or normal training, one that only takes 2 TP, and if I already have TP in the bank, the Autotrain will only do 1 train when it happens the next day, leaving the TP that are banked untouched. This would be a problem if we got 6 TP per day, if it still does work that way.

I like the old 7 season process and have never used VPB. I may not even be in the minority. The nice thing is every build varies, albeit ever so slightly with the individual slow process, at least in my experience.

As far as speeding up the building process, it would be nice to have the option to go quick build or slow build. I actually enjoy the 280 day journey of building; there always seems to be little twists that individualize each dot. Slow build/280 also allows the ability to be able to check builds of agents on the team, and make adjustments as needed from an ownership standpoint. That slow process which allows fixes, and/or tweaking would be absolutely lost or handcuffed in the quick build process.

Originally posted by King of Bling
I like the old 7 season process and have never used VPB. I may not even be in the minority. The nice thing is every build varies, albeit ever so slightly with the individual slow process, at least in my experience.

As far as speeding up the building process, it would be nice to have the option to go quick build or slow build. I actually enjoy the 280 day journey of building; there always seems to be little twists that individualize each dot. Slow build/280 also allows the ability to be able to check builds of agents on the team, and make adjustments as needed from an ownership standpoint. That slow process which allows fixes, and/or tweaking would be absolutely lost or handcuffed in the quick build process.



Agreed.

Originally posted by King of Bling
I like the old 7 season process and have never used VPB. I may not even be in the minority. The nice thing is every build varies, albeit ever so slightly with the individual slow process, at least in my experience.

As far as speeding up the building process, it would be nice to have the option to go quick build or slow build. I actually enjoy the 280 day journey of building; there always seems to be little twists that individualize each dot. Slow build/280 also allows the ability to be able to check builds of agents on the team, and make adjustments as needed from an ownership standpoint. That slow process which allows fixes, and/or tweaking would be absolutely lost or handcuffed in the quick build process.




Me too. I hate when my dot gets to level 79. Pretty much ignored at that point.

Just a thought, it'd be nice if VP (veteran point) experience was even by level, so all plateau dots resulted in the same VP's.

Old system some plat dots had 66-72 VP's depending on if you saved/optimized boosts for VP XP cliffs. Imho this doesn't add anything to the game and is just mildly annoying.

Honestly would be cool if all dots at L79 had 75 VP's to fill up 5 full VA's. Or heck even 90 VP's would be cool for 6 full VA's, adding a new flavor to the game and getting more use out of the more "Niche" VA's that exist but are never really used.

add me to the above gentlemen list.

EDIT: still I use VPB, it helps.