Warrior General Games

Originally posted by beenlurken
It is not my opinion that normal leagues are full of CPU's... it is FACT. Show me otherwise if you are going to make ridiculous comments like the above...
Actually, the burden of proof is on you as you're the one that's claiming something to be a fact. You're the one that should be producing the evidence.

Originally posted by beenlurken

Again, whether you like to admit it or not our original discussion began with you suggesting a solution that would have created a non-boosting league. Again, your system (even the way you claim it to be now) just restricts an already too restricted system by having age AND level qualifications. Again, it is disappointing that after all of this you still can not see how your solution hurts the game not help it.
Again, my original discussion does not suggest the creation of a non-boosting league. If it did, Bort would have shut the whole thread down rather than putting it up for vote. Non-boosting leagues are on the NGTH list. You're interpretation of my OP is obviously incorrect.

Originally posted by beenlurken

Question... do you think the overall competitiveness of the minor leagues is better now with the restricted ABL or do you think it was better before when partial/non-boosters were a much larger part of the teams in those leagues?
I think the minor leagues are more competitive now, only because many of the minor league teams have too many boosting players at the "normal" level. My hope is that the lower leagues would be competitive for the non-boosters and partial boosters as they compete with other non/partial boosters.

I love the way no one addressed the statement/question I posed earlier. The admins said that if we give the ABL a season or two the slum leagues will be full of mostly (or entirely) non-boosting and CPU teams. Guess this is just an admission that the ABL is a failure.

Originally posted by juane414
Originally posted by beenlurken

It is not my opinion that normal leagues are full of CPU's... it is FACT. Show me otherwise if you are going to make ridiculous comments like the above...
Actually, the burden of proof is on you as you're the one that's claiming something to be a fact. You're the one that should be producing the evidence.

I have linked you such and you ignored it... just once, will you follow along please.

Originally posted by juane414
Originally posted by beenlurken


Again, whether you like to admit it or not our original discussion began with you suggesting a solution that would have created a non-boosting league. Again, your system (even the way you claim it to be now) just restricts an already too restricted system by having age AND level qualifications. Again, it is disappointing that after all of this you still can not see how your solution hurts the game not help it.
Again, my original discussion does not suggest the creation of a non-boosting league. If it did, Bort would have shut the whole thread down rather than putting it up for vote. Non-boosting leagues are on the NGTH list. You're interpretation of my OP is obviously incorrect.

Your OP has changed more than a woman changes clothes... I joined in after several edits. I addressed your most recent comments in the thread and there is no hiding that you proposed a system that would form a non-boosting league. Again, stop lying it only makes this thread more embarrassing for you.

Originally posted by juane414
Originally posted by beenlurken


Question... do you think the overall competitiveness of the minor leagues is better now with the restricted ABL or do you think it was better before when partial/non-boosters were a much larger part of the teams in those leagues?
I think the minor leagues are more competitive now, only because many of the minor league teams have too many boosting players at the "normal" level. My hope is that the lower leagues would be competitive for the non-boosters and partial boosters as they compete with other non/partial boosters.

Originally posted by beenlurken
I have linked you such and you ignored it... just once, will you follow along please.
All I'm saying is that you can't just call something a fact without providing evidence. You did that once or twice earlier in the discussion. You told me to show you "otherwise." I corrected you, because as the one claiming the "fact" it is your job to show me otherwise.

Originally posted by beenlurken
Your OP has changed more than a woman changes clothes... I joined in after several edits. I addressed your most recent comments in the thread and there is no hiding that you proposed a system that would form a non-boosting league. Again, stop lying it only makes this thread more embarrassing for you.
You are again mistaken. I have not changed anything in my OP. I have merely added information to it in order to further explain my suggestion. Again, if my suggestion would create a non-boosting only league it would have been shut down a long time ago. Either you're wrong or every moderator that has read my OP is wrong. I have to conclude that it's you.

I'm tired of going back and forth with you beenlurken. It's impossible to have a civil discussion with someone who displays such immaturity. There is absolutely no reason why you need to use profanity and call me a liar.

Originally posted by beenlurken
You stalking me! You made an misguided/uninformed suggestion about returners and everyone (myself included) tried to tell you how wrong your were and you continued to fight it (what do you expect people to do when they explain something to you and you refuse to listen/comprehend). At least it seemed you came to understand how foolish that suggestion was.

I will be the first to admit when I am wrong... that said, I am not wrong here. juane has had his suggestion ripped to shreds by several of us in this thread and continues to fight a losing battle. His only support is that of non-bosters (partial boosters are just the same) just because they want their dots to see action outside of the ULU again (I dont blame them but juane solution is terrible is explained over and over again in this thread).

That said, I am not trying to dissuade anyone from making suggestions, however if when people starting showing you the flaws in your suggestion and that it wont work it is much better off to do what you did and let it go as a learning experience instead of foolishly/naively fighting an embarrassing losing battle. There are only so many ways one can try to explain something to someone not capable of understanding before one gets frustrated.

Regardless, I gave my -1 and I have given plenty of explanation (as has others) and still some do not understand. Its hard not to call a spade a spade.

You're a spade
+1

Originally posted by Bort
I actually have thought of this...definitely makes some sense. It's basically the idea of a floating level cap around the levels of the players actually in the league.

There would need to be a preset forced min/max just to make sure a league full CPU-y teams doesn't get out of whack, but for your average league it would work good. Could even just be used for the normal and comp leagues, and let the elite guys sign whoever.

I am going to throw it up to vote just to get some more feedback and votes.


The one has spoken 'nuff said!

Originally posted by juane414
Originally posted by beenlurken

I have linked you such and you ignored it... just once, will you follow along please.
All I'm saying is that you can't just call something a fact without providing evidence. You did that once or twice earlier in the discussion. You told me to show you "otherwise." I corrected you, because as the one claiming the "fact" it is your job to show me otherwise.

You really are that much full of fail!! I am afraid to ask where you are going to grad school and what for. Shows you any moron can get a college degree and a masters these days!!

You tell me I cant call something a fact without providing evidence... then you state that I did "once or twice". You did not correct me as you, still to this point, have not addressed my link.


Originally posted by juane414
Originally posted by beenlurken

Your OP has changed more than a woman changes clothes... I joined in after several edits. I addressed your most recent comments in the thread and there is no hiding that you proposed a system that would form a non-boosting league. Again, stop lying it only makes this thread more embarrassing for you.
You are again mistaken. I have not changed anything in my OP. I have merely added information to it in order to further explain my suggestion. Again, if my suggestion would create a non-boosting only league it would have been shut down a long time ago. Either you're wrong or every moderator that has read my OP is wrong. I have to conclude that it's you.

I'm tired of going back and forth with you beenlurken. It's impossible to have a civil discussion with someone who displays such immaturity. There is absolutely no reason why you need to use profanity and call me a liar.

LOL... I stopped using profanity a longtime ago per your request. QQ You have lied several times in this thread and are now lying about lying. Whether you like it or not, this is quoted and for everyone to see that at one time you were suggesting something that would have created a non-booster league...

Originally posted by juane414
I really believe that this will be better for the game because it will create competition in all three tiers of the leagues (normal, competitive, elite). For example, a player could boost a few levels and choose to stay in a normal league as a top player, but at the end of the season that player will be bumped up to a competitive league where he will need to boost more to continue being competitive. The non-boosters and max-boosters will be unaffected by this, but the partial boosters will benefit greatly and will be encouraged to continue boosting even if they can't max-boost.

Originally posted by beenlurken
LOL... I stopped using profanity a longtime ago per your request. QQ You have lied several times in this thread and are now lying about lying. Whether you like it or not, this is quoted and for everyone to see that at one time you were suggesting something that would have created a non-booster league...

We get it you want boost and run up the score and beat everyone you can. Competition isn't in your vocabulary. Anyone that disagrees with you is a liar or a cheat or some other epithet that you might decide to use. The point is that in GLB as a BETA game there are 2 major factions Boosters and Non-Boosters. You and a lot of others seem to think that this is intolerable. I don't mind Boosters so long as they are on teams with other boosters in leagues with other boosters but the powers that be insist that they don't want to have the game segregated that way!

I think that if your knew going into a Rookie league that everyone there was going to be boosting that there would be a lot of people that would play that game. I know that if there were leagues where boosting and Custom EQ were disabled I would play there. I like trying to build my own players without the bucks.

Since we have a game the is mixed then at least make it fair! In the real world there are competitive league and levels of competition. There are teams in Div II that play a game or 2 against the FCS or even FBS schools but they don't play cannon fodder in every game of a season.

Bort says that he's gonna try to something. I hope he does1 Maybe if you get enough negative votes he'll change his mind. in the meantime I'm gonna campaign for ideas that I like and nothing and no one is gonna stop me.

The first three normal minor leagues I looked at...

http://goallineblitz.com/game/league.pl?league_id=39 (the only normal national minor league)
12 CPU owned teams
3 Human owned teams with all CPU
Only 2 teams with a full human roster
Only 10 human owned teams with 40 or more human players

http://goallineblitz.com/game/league.pl?league_id=140 (the only normal regional minor league)
3 CPU owned
7 Human owned teams with all CPU
Only 4 teams with a full human roster
6 Human owned teams with at least one human player but less 28 human players


http://goallineblitz.com/game/league.pl?league_id=197 (the only normal local minor league
5 CPU owned
6 Human owned teams with all CPU
Only 2 teams with a full human roster
10 Human owned teams with at least one human player but less 23 human players



I could keep embarrassing you further, but I think I have made my point. The overwhelming reason normal minor leagues are uncompetitive is because there are not enough dots to fill rosters... too many CPU teams and too many teams forced to have half their roster be CPU players.

Originally posted by rocomo
Originally posted by beenlurken

LOL... I stopped using profanity a longtime ago per your request. QQ You have lied several times in this thread and are now lying about lying. Whether you like it or not, this is quoted and for everyone to see that at one time you were suggesting something that would have created a non-booster league...

We get it you want boost and run up the score and beat everyone you can. Competition isn't in your vocabulary. Anyone that disagrees with you is a liar or a cheat or some other epithet that you might decide to use. The point is that in GLB as a BETA game there are 2 major factions Boosters and Non-Boosters. You and a lot of others seem to think that this is intolerable. I don't mind Boosters so long as they are on teams with other boosters in leagues with other boosters but the powers that be insist that they don't want to have the game segregated that way!

I think that if your knew going into a Rookie league that everyone there was going to be boosting that there would be a lot of people that would play that game. I know that if there were leagues where boosting and Custom EQ were disabled I would play there. I like trying to build my own players without the bucks.

Since we have a game the is mixed then at least make it fair! In the real world there are competitive league and levels of competition. There are teams in Div II that play a game or 2 against the FCS or even FBS schools but they don't play cannon fodder in every game of a season.

Bort says that he's gonna try to something. I hope he does1 Maybe if you get enough negative votes he'll change his mind. in the meantime I'm gonna campaign for ideas that I like and nothing and no one is gonna stop me.






Have you been following this discussion at all? Or you just blindly supporting your non-booster buddy?

I am all for competition and have actually explained a better way than juane poor solutions to achieve this while making a place for non/partial boosters.

juane has lied several times in this thread.... that is fact. And the more you and juane keep posting the more you prove me right on my other so-called "epithet".

The only way you are ever going to have "fair" non-bosters against non-boosters is in the ULU. Otherwise the non-booster niche is to help fill out average teams. This is the way it always will be.

FWIW, I was in your shoes 3 years ago... one of the first posts I made was asking for a non-booster league. I get it... but its never going to happen because it would kill the financial backbone (or what little of it is left) of this game.

Originally posted by rocomo
Originally posted by beenlurken

The first three normal minor leagues I looked at...

http://goallineblitz.com/game/league.pl?league_id=39 (the only normal national minor league)
12 CPU owned teams
3 Human owned teams with all CPU
Only 2 teams with a full human roster
Only 10 human owned teams with 40 or more human players
27 teams total?

http://goallineblitz.com/game/league.pl?league_id=140 (the only normal regional minor league)
3 CPU owned
7 Human owned teams with all CPU
Only 4 teams with a full human roster
6 Human owned teams with at least one human player but less 28 human players
20 teams total

http://goallineblitz.com/game/league.pl?league_id=197 (the only normal local minor league
5 CPU owned
6 Human owned teams with all CPU
Only 2 teams with a full human roster
10 Human owned teams with at least one human player but less 23 human players
23 teams total


I could keep embarrassing you further, but I think I have made my point. The overwhelming reason normal minor leagues are uncompetitive is because there are not enough dots to fill rosters... too many CPU teams and too many teams forced to have half their roster be CPU players.

Is this a case like Fantasy Noise of presenting the statistics to prove you point rather than actually doing the hard work and presenting a truly fair and balanced idea!

You really are that dumb arent you!! I was holding out hope that you were just trolling but that right there says it all. I am not even going to lol as I actually feel sorry for you now.

First example: The other 5 missing teams are obviously human owned teams with less than 40 players on the team. A monkey could have figured that out... a monkey didnt need that information to see the point that was being made.

Second example: Again, obviously there are 12 human owned teams with more than 28 players on the team. Obviously the point is that half the league (16 teams) has less than 28 human players on them. Again, a monkey could have figured that out... a monkey didnt need that information to see the point that was being made.

Third example: Again, obviously there are 9 human owned teams with more than 23 players on the team. Obviously the point is over half the league (21 teams) has less than 23 human players on them. Again, a monkey could have figured that out... a monkey didnt need that information to see the point that was being made.


Just stop rocomo... this is just getting really bad for you.

Originally posted by beenlurken


Have you been following this discussion at all? Or you just blindly supporting your non-booster buddy?

I am all for competition and have actually explained a better way than juane poor solutions to achieve this while making a place for non/partial boosters.

juane has lied several times in this thread.... that is fact. And the more you and juane keep posting the more you prove me right on my other so-called "epithet".

The only way you are ever going to have "fair" non-bosters against non-boosters is in the ULU. Otherwise the non-booster niche is to help fill out average teams. This is the way it always will be.

FWIW, I was in your shoes 3 years ago... one of the first posts I made was asking for a non-booster league. I get it... but its never going to happen because it would kill the financial backbone (or what little of it is left) of this game.

Predictable and pedantic!

Originally posted by Dub J
I love the way no one addressed the statement/question I posed earlier. The admins said that if we give the ABL a season or two the slum leagues will be full of mostly (or entirely) non-boosting and CPU teams. Guess this is just an admission that the ABL is a failure.

Nah, that wasn't why they did it. I'm starting to think they actually believed that doing it (moving to ABLs) would put more money into their pocket, while solving the incessant whining from the boosters. Sadly, it hasn't done that at all, it just forced people who want to play at the highest levels to have fewer players, and those that don't care about the WL to not boost at all. And it created a whole new set of whiners.

The solution though is not more segregation, I agree with beenlurken here. The solution is to put all dots on an even playing field which means boosting would have to either be dumped (in favor of faster leveling - say doubling the XP starting at level 25) or forced boosting. Both of these options however, would force an up front flex expenditure (to create a player) that many people would not want, and would likely worsen the player shortage.