Originally posted by Dr. E
Short flat zone... That is the containment option. Works like a charm.
SMH and then
Short flat zone... That is the containment option. Works like a charm.
SMH and then
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Originally posted by Mightyhalo
I like the idea, but there should be a penalty delay when a team runs inside. It's like safeties set to deep strong/weak, and they start moving to their zone, recognize a run play and reach the line of scrimmage before you can blink.
You want strategy, then their should be a trade-off. Right now in GLB there is no such thing.
Originally posted by Rage Kinard
their movement should be to the outside rather than inside toward the QB or another ball carrier for the first 5 ticks of a play.
If they are moving outside for first 5 ticks there is the penalty. If they are moving outside, they can't be moving toward a ball carrier running inside, then they have to make up the ground they gave up while they were moving outside.
I like the idea, but there should be a penalty delay when a team runs inside. It's like safeties set to deep strong/weak, and they start moving to their zone, recognize a run play and reach the line of scrimmage before you can blink.
You want strategy, then their should be a trade-off. Right now in GLB there is no such thing.
Originally posted by Rage Kinard
their movement should be to the outside rather than inside toward the QB or another ball carrier for the first 5 ticks of a play.
If they are moving outside for first 5 ticks there is the penalty. If they are moving outside, they can't be moving toward a ball carrier running inside, then they have to make up the ground they gave up while they were moving outside.
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Originally posted by drewg23
im against it. i have personally created D plays to make this sort of thing happen. if everyone is able to have there guys play this way, those of us who have figured out how to create good D's get penalized and everyone catches up. if you are crafty enough you can set up plays where the LB and S cover the outside
i think u r missing the point genius. most DCs have the same principal ideas on containing outside runs by now.
but those formations having to use SS/FS and extra CBs crash from the outside is very unconventional. its the lack of "football logic" ie code that has caused all of this.
it should be in a CB/FS/SS/LBs DNA to force plays inside. in other words contain.
im against it. i have personally created D plays to make this sort of thing happen. if everyone is able to have there guys play this way, those of us who have figured out how to create good D's get penalized and everyone catches up. if you are crafty enough you can set up plays where the LB and S cover the outside
i think u r missing the point genius. most DCs have the same principal ideas on containing outside runs by now.
but those formations having to use SS/FS and extra CBs crash from the outside is very unconventional. its the lack of "football logic" ie code that has caused all of this.
it should be in a CB/FS/SS/LBs DNA to force plays inside. in other words contain.
Edited by DTRAIN on Mar 29, 2011 21:20:14
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Originally posted by Rage Kinard
Originally posted by jaxinthebox
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1611943&pbp_id=3434531
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This is the kind of crap I'm talking about here. The SS is lined up way outside by the CB. Yet he commits inside letting the FB seal him opening up the lane to the outside.
The easiest way to get containment now is to shoot a DE out into the flat.
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1596597&pbp_id=4608043
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1596597&pbp_id=4609025
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1596597&pbp_id=4609062
However, does that really resemble an actual football play?
I'm surprised Bort hasn't added a penalty to DE attributes the wider they get from the tackle box, like they have as the get farther away from LOS, like he added when creative DCs were dropping DEs into deep zones.
Note once again a directional blitz would work on all three of these plays.
Originally posted by jaxinthebox
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1611943&pbp_id=3434531
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This is the kind of crap I'm talking about here. The SS is lined up way outside by the CB. Yet he commits inside letting the FB seal him opening up the lane to the outside.
The easiest way to get containment now is to shoot a DE out into the flat.
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1596597&pbp_id=4608043
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1596597&pbp_id=4609025
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1596597&pbp_id=4609062
However, does that really resemble an actual football play?
I'm surprised Bort hasn't added a penalty to DE attributes the wider they get from the tackle box, like they have as the get farther away from LOS, like he added when creative DCs were dropping DEs into deep zones.
Note once again a directional blitz would work on all three of these plays.
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Originally posted by EaglesFan66
Note once again a directional blitz would work on all three of these plays.
I've already suggested directional blitzing back on Jan 14.
That went nowhere.
Edit: However, you do realize that higher vision LBs who read run early in the play will not blitz as normal, but will still react to run as soon as they read it and drift toward the QB until he gets rid of the ball don't you.
Note once again a directional blitz would work on all three of these plays.
I've already suggested directional blitzing back on Jan 14.
That went nowhere.
Edit: However, you do realize that higher vision LBs who read run early in the play will not blitz as normal, but will still react to run as soon as they read it and drift toward the QB until he gets rid of the ball don't you.
Edited by Rage Kinard on Mar 30, 2011 10:42:47
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Ummm. We already have contain. Just put the one of your Dots in zone, cover flat. How would this be different?
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Originally posted by Dr. E
Ummm. We already have contain. Just put the one of your Dots in zone, cover flat. How would this be different?
Because a dot shouldn't have to be assigned to cover a flat zone on a pass play in order to try and maintain contain on a rushing play.
In football a LB or safety assigned to containment responsibility on pitches and sweeps is not automatically playing a flat zone when the other team passes the ball.
Ummm. We already have contain. Just put the one of your Dots in zone, cover flat. How would this be different?
Because a dot shouldn't have to be assigned to cover a flat zone on a pass play in order to try and maintain contain on a rushing play.
In football a LB or safety assigned to containment responsibility on pitches and sweeps is not automatically playing a flat zone when the other team passes the ball.
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Originally posted by DTRAIN
u mean give the D some real football logic finally? wow. now thats a thought. ive been SCREAMING this for a long time.
OLBs/DBs job is to naturally give outside containment support to force plays inside.
that dumb inside jab step that OLBs take to align themselves with the ball carrier has been killing defenses for ever.
+1 for letting us select an outside containment focus.
QFT +1000
u mean give the D some real football logic finally? wow. now thats a thought. ive been SCREAMING this for a long time.
OLBs/DBs job is to naturally give outside containment support to force plays inside.
that dumb inside jab step that OLBs take to align themselves with the ball carrier has been killing defenses for ever.
+1 for letting us select an outside containment focus.
QFT +1000
Originally posted by evileyez
once again another obvious and fantastic suggestion by Rage
+1
once again another obvious and fantastic suggestion by Rage
+1
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This is ridiculous football players play with leverage. The answer isn't to put another stupid setting in, the answer is to fix pathing in general.
Imagine sweep right SS off the ball FB and HB coming his way on sweep.
At snap read
Football - SS reads through the nearest OL (TE) for a run pass read to the nearest/deepest back
GLB - Look at the ball
First couple steps.
Football - TE gives a run block read, HB is flat to the LOS, QB has reverse pivoted back to the LOS and the ball is pitched. RUN READ. SS takes an intercept angle to where he and the HB would collide.
GLB - SS shuffles inside thinking the QB has the ball even though it is pitched but not received by the HB.
Rest of Play.
Football - SS attempts to take on the lead block with his inside shoulder leaving his outside arm free to tackle. This means he can release from the block to the outside.
GLB - SS recovers back to the HB after the pitch is caught and chases flat down the LOS. When he comes forward is up for debate.
The suggestion is ridiculous because at least 6 players on defense are outside in players by nature.
What I'm saying is the pathing is so horrific the only player that pursues properly is a LB directly in front of the HB at the snap, everyone else is a mess.
This is putting a bandaid on a shotgun wound.
Imagine sweep right SS off the ball FB and HB coming his way on sweep.
At snap read
Football - SS reads through the nearest OL (TE) for a run pass read to the nearest/deepest back
GLB - Look at the ball
First couple steps.
Football - TE gives a run block read, HB is flat to the LOS, QB has reverse pivoted back to the LOS and the ball is pitched. RUN READ. SS takes an intercept angle to where he and the HB would collide.
GLB - SS shuffles inside thinking the QB has the ball even though it is pitched but not received by the HB.
Rest of Play.
Football - SS attempts to take on the lead block with his inside shoulder leaving his outside arm free to tackle. This means he can release from the block to the outside.
GLB - SS recovers back to the HB after the pitch is caught and chases flat down the LOS. When he comes forward is up for debate.
The suggestion is ridiculous because at least 6 players on defense are outside in players by nature.
What I'm saying is the pathing is so horrific the only player that pursues properly is a LB directly in front of the HB at the snap, everyone else is a mess.
This is putting a bandaid on a shotgun wound.
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Originally posted by bbsdf
This is ridiculous football players play with leverage. The answer isn't to put another stupid setting in, the answer is to fix pathing in general.
Imagine sweep right SS off the ball FB and HB coming his way on sweep.
At snap read
Football - SS reads through the nearest OL (TE) for a run pass read to the nearest/deepest back
GLB - Look at the ball
First couple steps.
Football - TE gives a run block read, HB is flat to the LOS, QB has reverse pivoted back to the LOS and the ball is pitched. RUN READ. SS takes an intercept angle to where he and the HB would collide.
GLB - SS shuffles inside thinking the QB has the ball even though it is pitched but not received by the HB.
Rest of Play.
Football - SS attempts to take on the lead block with his inside shoulder leaving his outside arm free to tackle. This means he can release from the block to the outside.
GLB - SS recovers back to the HB after the pitch is caught and chases flat down the LOS. When he comes forward is up for debate.
The suggestion is ridiculous because at least 6 players on defense are outside in players by nature.
What I'm saying is the pathing is so horrific the only player that pursues properly is a LB directly in front of the HB at the snap, everyone else is a mess.
This is putting a bandaid on a shotgun wound.
You have to remember that is a game not really football. This idea provides us with more control. dots can't actually think so they can't do what humans do.
This is ridiculous football players play with leverage. The answer isn't to put another stupid setting in, the answer is to fix pathing in general.
Imagine sweep right SS off the ball FB and HB coming his way on sweep.
At snap read
Football - SS reads through the nearest OL (TE) for a run pass read to the nearest/deepest back
GLB - Look at the ball
First couple steps.
Football - TE gives a run block read, HB is flat to the LOS, QB has reverse pivoted back to the LOS and the ball is pitched. RUN READ. SS takes an intercept angle to where he and the HB would collide.
GLB - SS shuffles inside thinking the QB has the ball even though it is pitched but not received by the HB.
Rest of Play.
Football - SS attempts to take on the lead block with his inside shoulder leaving his outside arm free to tackle. This means he can release from the block to the outside.
GLB - SS recovers back to the HB after the pitch is caught and chases flat down the LOS. When he comes forward is up for debate.
The suggestion is ridiculous because at least 6 players on defense are outside in players by nature.
What I'm saying is the pathing is so horrific the only player that pursues properly is a LB directly in front of the HB at the snap, everyone else is a mess.
This is putting a bandaid on a shotgun wound.
You have to remember that is a game not really football. This idea provides us with more control. dots can't actually think so they can't do what humans do.
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