Warrior General Games

Originally posted by bhall43
im just trying to figure out why Scat FB's and Receiving TE's are treated any differently in building?

Good point, in the NFL these are basically the same position.

Originally posted by Fumanchuchu
Originally posted by eaglesfan20

so a receiving TE shouldnt have the ability to do the same? - he is supposed to be a receiver - so he should have the advantages of what comes with that(jumping) and the disadvantages as well(not a great blocker) - i thought thats one of the reasons for the archetype, 2 better differentiate player types and skill sets

The point is not to have the algs assist unrealistic builds, like TEs who can jump really high but can't block at all. If you want to have a TE who can jump, suck it up and put points into a non-gainer. Has to be a disadvantage involved with putting a WR at TE, either oop or lack of jumping algs, take your pick.

Combo TE IS the receiving TE if you switched blocking and speed in the majors and minors imo.

TE Combo
6'2" - 6'8", 250-280 Lbs
Major Agility Blocking Catching Strength Vision (+.4)
Minor Confidence Jumping Speed (+.33)
Bonus SA's - None
Penalty SA's - None

Originally posted by Time Trial
Combo TE IS the receiving TE if you switched blocking and speed in the majors and minors imo.

TE Combo
6'2" - 6'8", 250-280 Lbs
Major Agility Blocking Catching Strength Vision (+.4)
Minor Confidence Jumping Speed (+.33)
Bonus SA's - None
Penalty SA's - None

at least some one understands the point i was trying to make
why is the receiving being made to be less of a receiver with auto gains and the combo TE being made to have better auto gains for receiving, with jumoing

Originally posted by tuba_samurai
Maybe b/c he'll likely be more of a possession guy, and will have more jump ball type plays than a Receiving TE? *shrug*
Actually not bad reasoning. None of these archetypes are intended to be "god mode," which is why the power HB doesn't have speed as a major instead of Confidence.


Originally posted by bhall43
im just trying to figure out why Scat FB's and Receiving TE's are treated any differently in building?
Because otherwise the receiving TE archetype would have no stamina. Really, the Scat Back FB should have that for a minor as well, which would presumably replace jumping.

Originally posted by jdbolick

Because otherwise the receiving TE archetype would have no stamina. Really, the Scat Back FB should have that for a minor as well, which would presumably replace jumping.


Yes...the Scat FB needs stamina. I use the scat FB more than I use the blocking FB.

Originally posted by Fumanchuchu
Good point, in the NFL these are basically the same position.

even if it wasnt...it is in this game...

Thanks to the new checkdown system my receiving TE is getting some decent looks. It used to be pretty random whether or not or FB or HB got the ball in a game, but with the right QB slider you can get it to the point where your HB/FB are only getting the ball if they are open AND are slightly upfield.

It is very difficult at the lower levels to use zone coverage because players aren't able to react fast enough to either the run or the pass, so because of this there are a lot of teams blitzing from the outside and then having their CBs play man coverage. This leaves about a ten yard cusion for the HB or FB to catch the ball and usually they are able to get away from the LB that is set to play zone or man coverage on them.

The same thing is happening with the TE. Because the WRs are the deep threat, you are usually able to hit the TE on a slant or out pattern underneath the deep coverage. But if the TE is in man coverage (and isn't maybe as fast as on OLB), he is going to need that jumping.

He will also need jumping on plays like the WI Streaks play. I just never use my Recieving TE to block, so I have no idea why he would need blocking over jumping.

His primary role is to jump up and get the ball... if he's on the line then he is running a route. If people want to give him blocking, they can do it without the ALG.

With tagging as an option, a TE without blocking can be exploited because you have a pretty good idea that the offense is:

a) Throwing a pass
b) Running to the weak side
c) Are trying to put their non-blocking TE in to make you think that a or b is occuring
d) The OC has no idea what he's doing and uses both of his TEs as blocking and receiving.

Originally posted by Time Trial
I just never use my Recieving TE to block, so I have no idea why he would need blocking over jumping.
It's not about what TE owners would want, it's about what is appropriate. A tight end should have some sort of blocking focus, even if he's primarily a pass catcher. That's why he's a tight end instead of a WR playing out of position at tight end.

Originally posted by jdbolick
Originally posted by Time Trial

I just never use my Recieving TE to block, so I have no idea why he would need blocking over jumping.
It's not about what TE owners would want, it's about what is appropriate. A tight end should have some sort of blocking focus, even if he's primarily a pass catcher. That's why he's a tight end instead of a WR playing out of position at tight end.

I'm actually not advocating removing blocking.

Combo TE IS the receiving TE if you switched blocking and speed in the majors and minors imo.

TE Combo (switched)
6'2" - 6'8", 250-280 Lbs
Major Agility Speed Catching Strength Vision (+.4)
Minor Confidence Jumping Blocking (+.33)
Bonus SA's - None
Penalty SA's - None

This is how I would do it. Maybe add carrying to the minors or switch carrying for blocking.

Originally posted by jdbolick

It's not about what TE owners would want, it's about what is appropriate. A tight end should have some sort of blocking focus, even if he's primarily a pass catcher. That's why he's a tight end instead of a WR playing out of position at tight end.

if this was about appropriate...the HB Scat Back, FB Scat Back, HB Combo, and FB Combo all wouldn't have jumping with the Receiving or Power TE not.

And if it is an issue of Stamina...than this should be a minor across the motherfucking board...all positions. Simple as that. It currently is not.

I don't see why you can't just add Jumping as one of the minors. QBs, HBs & FBs all have 4 minors, why not TEs too? doesn't seem like that would make them overpowered or anything, and blocking would still be in there, but jumping certainly more important to RTEs than blocking.

Originally posted by tetura
I don't see why you can't just add Jumping as one of the minors. QBs, HBs & FBs all have 4 minors, why not TEs too?
Because the more you add, the more it dilutes the ALG. You get 2 points to divide among the majors, and 1 point to divide among the minors. Adding another minor would take the ALG for those down to 0.25. They may eventually decide that it's worth it, but you'd be sacrificing points in the other three minors just to get a little bit in jumping. That doesn't really make a lot of sense to me, since I don't think that jumping is as important as you guys are making it out to be. If you're only going to take it to 60 or so, then the ALG doesn't even really matter.

Originally posted by jdbolick
Originally posted by tetura

I don't see why you can't just add Jumping as one of the minors. QBs, HBs & FBs all have 4 minors, why not TEs too?
Because the more you add, the more it dilutes the ALG. You get 2 points to divide among the majors, and 1 point to divide among the minors. Adding another minor would take the ALG for those down to 0.25. They may eventually decide that it's worth it, but you'd be sacrificing points in the other three minors just to get a little bit in jumping. That doesn't really make a lot of sense to me, since I don't think that jumping is as important as you guys are making it out to be. If you're only going to take it to 60 or so, then the ALG doesn't even really matter.

More important than blocking on a TE that likely won't be doing much blocking.

Originally posted by Time Trial
More important than blocking on a TE that likely won't be doing much blocking.
Please stop posting until you grasp points that have already been addressed.

Originally posted by tetura
I don't see why you can't just add Jumping as one of the minors. QBs, HBs & FBs all have 4 minors, why not TEs too? doesn't seem like that would make them overpowered or anything, and blocking would still be in there, but jumping certainly more important to RTEs than blocking.

Originally posted by jdbolick

Because the more you add, the more it dilutes the ALG. You get 2 points to divide among the majors, and 1 point to divide among the minors. Adding another minor would take the ALG for those down to 0.25. They may eventually decide that it's worth it

Sure it's worth it, why not? The other minors that would be diluted are strength, blocking, and stamina. For a receiving tight end, adding jumping to the minors would be an improvement.