Warrior General Games

Originally posted by PinTBC
Originally posted by Bort

lining up over the guy at snap only applies to WR's or players outside the box. If you put a guy in man on a HB for instance, he's going to stick around where he's at (such as an LB or a SS cheated up).

What about trying to put CB#3 over the TE? (I know the TE is supposed to be outside the box, but it sounds like something to check).

In the lineup he is on the wrong side of the field, will he move to cover?

PinTBC

He'll move over because his starting position is outside the x portion of the box, though he'll be off the line a little bit. I'm sure there's probably a replay somewhere that a tester could dig up, or could run a game to confirm.

Originally posted by Bort
Originally posted by PinTBC

Originally posted by Bort


lining up over the guy at snap only applies to WR's or players outside the box. If you put a guy in man on a HB for instance, he's going to stick around where he's at (such as an LB or a SS cheated up).

What about trying to put CB#3 over the TE? (I know the TE is supposed to be outside the box, but it sounds like something to check).

In the lineup he is on the wrong side of the field, will he move to cover?

PinTBC

He'll move over because his starting position is outside the x portion of the box, though he'll be off the line a little bit. I'm sure there's probably a replay somewhere that a tester could dig up, or could run a game to confirm.

Very cool, thanks, though it would really be very handy to have the CBs in the creator pop into the slots they will occupy at the snap of the ball.

I think ti would certainly help avoid confusion.

PinTBC

So if I want the ROLB to cover the TE, but leave him in his normal position, he'll stay in that position at the start of the play and then move over to cover the TE, not automatically line-up across from him? Thanks.

Originally posted by kardiackids2007
So if I want the ROLB to cover the TE, but leave him in his normal position, he'll stay in that position at the start of the play and then move over to cover the TE, not automatically line-up across from him? Thanks.

KK2007: yeah, what you describe above is basically what happens.

Its basically what happens now with underneath Man to man coverage. The LBs line up normally, and if the guy they are responsible for goes on a pass route, they sprint to catch up. Difference with the play creator is that we can control the starting position to a degree.

But its different when the receiver to be covered is outside the box Then the defender lines up directly over the offensive player.

Just added

tpaterniti edit

Originally posted by Nano Blitz (overload) vs heavy passing team

Play Name: tpaterniti's nano blitz
Play Link: http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd314/tpaterniti/NanoBlitz.jpg
D Formation: 4-3 with as many people in the same spot over the C and Gs as possible with both CBs in deep 2 zones
O Formation: Mostly pass
Designed to stop: N/A Designed to see if this would allow defenders through untouched before the QB could get rid of the ball a ridiculous percentage of the time. Tested after a concern about it was raised by a user.

Game: http://test.goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=720 Resulted in no sacks 11 hurries. C build is below. Lots of hurries and pressure but of course men are wide open. I could try it with fewer blitzers to see if that is problematic.

Centre Rogers (Lv. 40 C)
Ht/Wt: 6'3", 299lbs


Attributes
Physical Attributes
Strength: 100
Speed: 48
Agility: 60
Jumping: 20
Stamina: 100
Vision: 60
Confidence: 60

Football Skills
Blocking: 100
Catching: 10
Tackling: 10
Throwing: 10
Carrying: 10
Kicking: 10
Punting: 10

No SAs or VAs

Originally posted by OttawaShane
Originally posted by kardiackids2007

So if I want the ROLB to cover the TE, but leave him in his normal position, he'll stay in that position at the start of the play and then move over to cover the TE, not automatically line-up across from him? Thanks.

KK2007: yeah, what you describe above is basically what happens.

Its basically what happens now with underneath Man to man coverage. The LBs line up normally, and if the guy they are responsible for goes on a pass route, they sprint to catch up. Difference with the play creator is that we can control the starting position to a degree.

But its different when the receiver to be covered is outside the box Then the defender lines up directly over the offensive player.

Sweet! I really wanted that to happen. I thought it was the case, but since Bort used HB as an example, I wasn't sure if it applied to the TE too.

Originally posted by tpaterniti
Just added

tpaterniti edit

Originally posted by Nano Blitz (overload) vs heavy passing team


Play Name: tpaterniti's nano blitz
Play Link: http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd314/tpaterniti/NanoBlitz.jpg
D Formation: 4-3 with as many people in the same spot over the C and Gs as possible with both CBs in deep 2 zones
O Formation: Mostly pass
Designed to stop: N/A Designed to see if this would allow defenders through untouched before the QB could get rid of the ball a ridiculous percentage of the time. Tested after a concern about it was raised by a user.

Game: http://test.goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=720 Resulted in no sacks 11 hurries. C build is below. Lots of hurries and pressure but of course men are wide open. I could try it with fewer blitzers to see if that is problematic.

Centre Rogers (Lv. 40 C)
Ht/Wt: 6'3", 299lbs


Attributes
Physical Attributes
Strength: 100
Speed: 48
Agility: 60
Jumping: 20
Stamina: 100
Vision: 60
Confidence: 60

Football Skills
Blocking: 100
Catching: 10
Tackling: 10
Throwing: 10
Carrying: 10
Kicking: 10
Punting: 10

No SAs or VAs

Looks fine to me, Beat them deep multiple times, and didn't put up an outrageous number of sacks/hurries.

Just added this to the end of rate's 2nd post as well.

Originally posted by Nano Blitz 2 (overload) vs heavy passing team

Play Name: tpaterniti's nano blitz 2
Play Link: http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd314/tpaterniti/NanoBlitzZone.jpg
D Formation: 3-4 with as many people in the same spot over the C and RG as possible with enough people in coverage not to give up an easy dump off each time: Mostly pass.
Designed to stop: N/A Designed to see if this would allow defenders through untouched before the QB could get rid of the ball a ridiculous percentage of the time. Tested after a concern about it was raised by a user.

http://test.goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=726 Same teams as before with a more likely blitz scenario. There are 3 guys blitzing the RG lined up over top each other. I even threw in a SS delay to see if the RG would see him and release some of the blitzers in front of him but he didn't. The C build is the same as above. Here is the G build.

RG Rogers (Lv. 40 G)
Ht/Wt: 6'3", 297lbs


Attributes
Physical Attributes
Strength: 90
Speed: 60
Agility: 60
Jumping: 20
Stamina: 100
Vision: 60
Confidence: 60

Football Skills
Blocking: 90
Catching: 10
Tackling: 10
Throwing: 10
Carrying: 10
Kicking: 10
Punting: 10

No VAs or SAs.

All in all I could test a ton of scenarios but I think it is pretty clear that lining even as many as 9 guys almost right on top of each other does not give you an auto sack which is the concern that was brought up. The defenders get in each other's way when you do this. We actually tested this first thing about a month ago but since I couldn't quickly locate the tests I just ran some more to demonstrate what we found when we tested this out early on. The results were the same.

How does a player check down when using man cover? If I set say LB to cover TE then HB then zone. How does that work? Or say I set CB to cover WR then HB. IF it is a run will the CB move to cover HB? Same for the LB.

I understand its a read after the play starts - the defender sees if his guy goes on a pass route - if he doesn't, he checks his next assigment. There's apparently a vision check to determine how quickly this happens.

Originally posted by OttawaShane
I understand its a read after the play starts - the defender sees if his guy goes on a pass route - if he doesn't, he checks his next assigment. There's apparently a vision check to determine how quickly this happens.

But we really don't know for sure. I was thinking the same as you Shane but would like to see it working on a replay.

If a tester could show us a game with a Nickel Defense vs a 2WR Offense where CB#3 is set to line up on the TE that would be great!

Originally posted by joe
Originally posted by OttawaShane

I understand its a read after the play starts - the defender sees if his guy goes on a pass route - if he doesn't, he checks his next assigment. There's apparently a vision check to determine how quickly this happens.

But we really don't know for sure. I was thinking the same as you Shane but would like to see it working on a replay.

Well that's a fair comment, isn't it...hopefully we'll get those additional preseason games we've been promised.

Originally posted by Bort
Originally posted by timthorn

Do we have any confirmation whether the DAI's LB/NT Depth Chart feature works with presets or custom D plays? I am guessing, no.

Yes, it will work with the custom/preset plays. I know the layout is a little confusing on that part; I was trying to figure out how to set it up better but didn't come up with much.

Initial results are not looking to favorable that this is working.

Example:
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=547632&pbp_id=656880
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=547632&pbp_id=648789
- NT1 is set for this play, NT1 is Tommie Harris Thorn and the back NT1 is Adwaleye Ogunleye, but the starting NT pops in

Link to Team's DC: http://goallineblitz.com/game/depth_chart.pl?team_id=512
I also verified my DAI prior to posting.

Link to the Bugs report of this:
http://goallineblitz.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=2514143

In regards to the depth chart thing:

Originally posted by Bort
I think I found the problem. Fix uploaded to test server; will need a check through to make sure.

Test:

Set both teams Offense to run anything out of the I Form, and both defense to run a 4-3 coverage type play. Set the NT1 to "VeryAgile DE" who isn't used anywhere else on the depth chart.

Set 4-3 to use the NT1 slot under the Formations tab, and within the output for the DAI.

http://test.goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=824 - Everything worked fine.

Same game, but Formations tab is set to NT, leaving it solely to the DAI.

http://test.goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=825 - Everything worked fine again