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Shouldn't perma-banned players be able to post in the private forums? If we invite them then clearly we are welcoming them in. And its not that tough to remove them if they do decide to make trouble. All im asking is to be able to moderate the forum that i paid for. And in anycase they have access to their team forums still, so its not like they cant post at all anymore.

EDIT: To help people who dont want to read the entire thread:

By perma-banned i meant permanently forum suspended people. The scope was later enlarged to include all forum suspensions.

And a much better summary of the arguments for the suggestion being made a rule change was made by AD

Originally posted by Azure Dreams

1: I've already presented the logic about a directly correlative punishment with the crime. Whether you think more is fair or not there's something to be said for a punishment that is fitting.

2: Also: There is no good business sense to impose additional punishments on people beyond what benefits the community. If you feel that someone has shown an inability to post in the manner you find appropriate on the public forums, you prevent them from doing so, so that the integrity of the forum rules can be upheld better and other users do not have to deal with whatever issue the ban-ee presented.

3: However, the same rules do not apply to private forums. Private forum owners are allowed to, essentially, set their own rules. Why, then, should they not also be able to have someone in their forum who has not done anything they feel worth preventing them from participation in this forum? They can no longer harm the public, so the ban is working.

4: As I, again, already noted, forum bans are not always fair or warranted and are subject to potential for extreme bias. When it's questionable whether someone even broke a rule in the first place, why should they be prevented from something that isn't harmful?

5: Consistency. You are allowed to post in team forums still. Why not private forums as well.

6: Along those lines, the reason you are allowed to post in team forums is so that your bad behavior on public forums doesn't prevent you and your team from properly using your dot on the field. If they wanted that impeded, they would have banned you from GLB, not just the forums. However, prevention from participation in private forums excludes any sort of GM forums for teams and whatnot, thus accomplishing the same thing.
Originally posted by Catullus 16

1: frankly, the degree to which a punishment is "fitting" is less problematic than your particular theory of punishment. do you think punishment should be rehabilitative, incapacitive, preventative, restorative, retributitive, or pedagogical? it sounds like you're on the angle of retribution, which is easily the most troublesome of the six categories...

2-6: yes, these are all very logical (to me) and compelling (to me) reasons... but mostly because i already agree with you. however, these are all adbuctive arguments to fairness... and it's fairly easy to think up just as valid adbuctive arguments to fairness that argue for the opposite side.

Originally posted by Azure Dreams

For number 1, you make a lot of assumptions about my beliefs that are neither here nor there. It is one of only 6 points, and far from the be all end all. If you think that method of punishment is appropriate, fine, if not, fine. When I said fitting I meant something very specific. Not "appropriate" or "the best response" or "fair" but fitting. In that it fits perfectly with the rime. It prevents him from continuing to commit the crime without lumping on anything extraneous. A directly correlative 1:1 punishment. Can't post appropriately in public forums -> Prevented from posting in public forums.

Not all of those points rely heavily on abstract notions of fairness. The notion is present in some form and it's not feasible for it not to be under any circumstances because that's how life works.

I think perhaps the best reason is the vagueness of many, many guidelines, inconsistency with which they are enforced, and, above all, the prevailing bias and subjectivity present in the moderators whims.


Jed edit: another extremely similar Suggestion with the same basic arguments: allowing suspended people to post in private forums: http://goallineblitz.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=1964448

100% agreed. We pay for private forums, why can't we invite who we want to?

agreed

not just perma banned, all bans

Originally posted by prokop
not just perma banned, all bans

Truth, for the same reason i stated initially. The problem is just more significant on the perma-bans because they will never be freed it seems.

Because GLB's wishes as to who has done something bad enough to be kicked out supersedes your wishes as the owner of a private forum.

My understanding is it's part of the punishment, which is fine with me.

We pay for the forums though, so we should be allowed to have who we want in them. It does not effect anyone outside of the forum.

Originally posted by Undead Merchant
We pay for the forums though, so we should be allowed to have who we want in them. It does not effect anyone outside of the forum.

Well it affects the GLB user who has been permabanned, as they get another forum to post in, when they shouldn't.

Originally posted by Jed
Because GLB's wishes as to who has done something bad enough to be kicked out supersedes your wishes as the owner of a private forum.

But isnt the real root that they wish to do away with someone they find to be a hassle? Isn't this still in effect when you have someone removed from the public forums. I think the private forums are much more similar to the team forums than the public ones in that they are privately moderated. Even more reason to allow them to post is that the owner of the private forum paid to have it.

I really was hoping this whole thing was merely an oversight when the private forums were created, which obviously came later than perma-banning was implemented. I mean the perma banned can post in their own private forums...

Originally posted by SwagOnLock
Originally posted by Undead Merchant

We pay for the forums though, so we should be allowed to have who we want in them. It does not effect anyone outside of the forum.

Well it affects the GLB user who has been permabanned, as they get another forum to post in, when they shouldn't.

But it also effects the one paying for the forum. I didnt know i would not be able to have banned people posting in my forum and now i feel punished for a banning someone else took from what i thought was just the public forums, since they have access to the team forums.

I'm gonna go ahead and +1 this.

Originally posted by WearyWarrior

But it also effects the one paying for the forum. I didnt know i would not be able to have banned people posting in my forum and now i feel punished for a banning someone else took from what i thought was just the public forums, since they have access to the team forums.

So...if the person does not pay their internet bill, and therefore cannot get on the internet, do you feel that their internet service provider is punishing you?

Originally posted by Deathblade
Originally posted by WearyWarrior


But it also effects the one paying for the forum. I didnt know i would not be able to have banned people posting in my forum and now i feel punished for a banning someone else took from what i thought was just the public forums, since they have access to the team forums.

So...if the person does not pay their internet bill, and therefore cannot get on the internet, do you feel that their internet service provider is punishing you?

wat?

I paid to have a forum. The point of a forum is to have people post in them about the topics at hand. He doesnt have to pay to use it.

Analogy fail.

In anycase DD has stated (this is hearsay) that he doesnt feel he needs a reason to remove people permanently from the public forums. So the punishment argument doesn't really hold water.