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Originally posted by ribairral
This is for every league or whole GLB??

But +1.

Each league has two teams: East vs. West; Alpha vs. Beta, etc.

Originally posted by Roctronic
Good idea, tough to set up...

Not really. All info (besides stats that need to be added) can be found on a player's page or a leaders page (except QB rating, which really should be on there).

Add another stat choice titled "Pro Bowlers" and use a simple if/then/else program to find out which formula to use.

Originally posted by swoosh22
Only problem I have with this is, both of my defenses are REALLY good. But I am going to assuming we get a lot less plays per game than other defenses in the league. So they have more chances to get stats than my guys do... since this is formula is based 100% on stats. Maybe divide it by plays per game?
He has a point.

No all-star team in any sport is 100% stat based. It's based on popularity and team success as well. Adding a modifier for # of seasons in the same league and team wins would help out.

Originally posted by Asheme
He has a point.

No all-star team in any sport is 100% stat based. It's based on popularity and team success as well. Adding a modifier for # of seasons in the same league and team wins would help out.

Wouldn't the goal be to make an unbiased all star team. I think that all of us can agree that Ken Griffey Jr. should not have made the all-star game this season, but was going to start in it until the last couple hours of voting. Fukudome was another many questioned.

So I don't think the number of seasons in a league or the number of wins should matter. Not all players contribute evenly to a win, so you can't give them all credit.

Originally posted by justafish2002
Wouldn't the goal be to make an unbiased all star team.
The goal is to get the best players on the team, right?

With the current formula, the lvl 28 LB on Semi-Gutted team #525 with 157 tackles would make the pro bowl, while the star LB on the 16-0 team who made a ton of big plays, but only ended up with 54 tackles wouldn't.

I'm guessing that LB will also have quite a few Missed tackles as well which subtract from tackles.

The star LB will probably finish most of his tackles and force many more turnovers.

Ok, case in point (with strong safeties): Arguably the best SS in Canada Pro: http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=31078

SS on a semi-gutted team: http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=108196

Or this guy: http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=132753

There's no way to make up that gap, really.

The first two (Jenkins and Hands) both average between 69 and 73 Plays per game.
Jenkins: 135
Hands: 189
Leacy: 268

Hmmm.. if I divide the tackle formula by 2 then the outputs are:
Jenkins: 99
Hands: 110
Leacy: 157.5

Now if I divide Tackles formula by 4:
Jenkins: 80
Hands: 70.5
Leacy: 102.25

*Leacy's high FFs may skew results more than if he had just the tackles... by about 22 points.

As you can see, only extreme cases still prevail in the last formula. It's not perfect but any suggestions to fix this are welcome.

Originally posted by justafish2002
As you can see, only extreme cases still prevail in the last formula. It's not perfect but any suggestions to fix this are welcome.
Making tackles count for less is a good step, definitely. But I still think a modifier (a small one, though) for team success would be good.

If a team has an outstanding season, a lot of its players go to the Pro Bowl (see: Seahawks, 2006).

Originally posted by Asheme
Originally posted by justafish2002

As you can see, only extreme cases still prevail in the last formula. It's not perfect but any suggestions to fix this are welcome.
Making tackles count for less is a good step, definitely. But I still think a modifier (a small one, though) for team success would be good.

If a team has an outstanding season, a lot of its players go to the Pro Bowl (see: Seahawks, 2006).

There would have to be a different modifier for each position as QBs get over 40,000 points in their formula while DBs get less than 100. To calculate a player's worth to his team's wins is impossible which is why I say nay.

Originally posted by justafish2002
There would have to be a different modifier for each position as QBs get over 40,000 points in their formula while DBs get less than 100.
It wouldn't matter across positions, since they'd be compared within their own category.

Originally posted by justafish2002
To calculate a player's worth to his team's wins is impossible which is why I say nay.
It's more of a bonus to the players on good teams (mainly defensive players, who are hardly on the field in a league full of gut jobs) to keep up with the players with inflated stats due to playing on a weak defense.

Penalizing the most easily accrued stats (tackles) would essentially do the same thing, though.

We need a much larger test area to point out flaws. Preferably should be done within a single conference with gutted and super dominant teams.

I'm trying to get a greasemonkey script made (or have someone help me with one) to make this much easier.

it's good except that there are imprortant things left out at many positions. i/e QB's mobility, HB's recieving...

Glad someone is on my side about the defensive thing. I will try to find some examples of this in my leagues. Like my Saskatoon team is the best defense in the league and I seriously doubt we would have more than 1 person make the Pro Bowl... MAYBE two. My Blitzburgh team has a top 3 defense and we would only have 1 person make the Pro Bowl and that would be my LB only because he is #2 in sacks and has a crap ton of TFL. But no other player on that defense would make the Pro Bowl... I would argue that my CB on Blitzburgh is one of the best CBs in the league, his tackle to PD ratio is almost equal but he only has 1 INT. I would assume that half of his tackles are from runs/tackling other WRs, but since he hardly gets the ball thrown to him AND he is only on the field for like 40 plays per game he doesn't have the stats the other CBs do.

But if I get bored I will look a little deeper.

Bonuses:

Players appearing in the Pro Bowl get a piece of equipment specific to their position or take what's behind door #2... A BRAND NEW CAR!!!

Wouldn't it be nice for the Pro Bowl Punter to get something like +1 Hangtime, +2 Punting and have it be upgradable?

Or you could just throw money or prestige the players way.