Originally posted by Sooner_Nation
Are you making the assumption, that the two black males advised the manager that they were waiting on someone?
Why would it be @FootballJunkie's burden to prove the manager would have asked "white people" the same thing, and not your burden to prove the two black males, said "fuck you" to the manager, instead of simply saying, "we are waiting on friends"?I am assuming (yes, an assumption on my part), that there would have been reports from other customers if the males had acted in that manner. It is football junkies burden to provide evidence for his assertion. as the burden is on anyone when they make an assertion.
you'll note that the difference between his and my statements is that I am flat out admitting I am making an assumption here. If he had done that, I would not be asking him to back up his assertion.
Originally posted by Sooner_Nation
1.Maybe the manager would have asked two people regardless of color he thought were loitering they need to purchase to stay?
2. Maybe we should be asking the question, how long were they actually there waiting, before the manager made contact with them?
3. And, what were they doing all that time? And how were they acting?
see above. Yes, I am admitting to making an assumption, but i think it is a valid assumption that if they were acting like total assholes, someone who witnessed that would have come out with that observation by now.
Originally posted by Sooner_Nation
4. the officers that responded to the Starbuck's were faced with assumptions from both sides, were the burden of proof would have been impossible for either side.
5. If the officer's arrested the men for trespassing, the manager called the police for trespassing. Most state trespassing laws, are usually written where a intial verbal warning has to be performed by the officer first, then verbally or physically denied before an arrest can be made.you'll note that nowhere have I said anything about how the police handled it. I agree that they are not at fault. they are complying with the manager's request. My question mostly involves if the manager typically asks people to leave if they are not purchasing anything, as footballjunkie is asserting he does.
Originally posted by Sooner_Nation
6. In my opinion, if the two black males, were only there a few minutes, the manager should of left them alone. But if they were there, 30 minutes? And constantly moving around the store? Or if they were just sitting down, but there an hour or two?I personally agree that an hour or so is pushing it, and it is very reasonable at that point to ask a person to purchase or leave.
Originally posted by Sooner_Nation
7.So the question (elephant) in the room is, is this just rampant racism in liberal Philly? Or, will and do Pro BLM African Americans attempt to set up possible situations like this with not only the police now, but wherever they can find an establishment with a gullible white manager?my 100% personal opinion here, is that this was a case of unconscious racism. I don't think that the manger was overtly racist, but I think that the fact that they were black, and dressed they way they were, evoked images of gang members, etc, and made the manager unconsciously edgy
this report from witnesses would seem to indicate that the manager, did not, in fact, treat these individuals as he treats everyone else. "Additionally, accounts from Lauren and others give the impression Starbucks may not be uniformly enforcing its trespassing policy."
http://www.complex.com/life/2018/04/starbucks-manager-reportedly-didnt-ask-2-black-men-to-leave-before-calling-police 
Still don't know if I would put a "racist label" on it, unconsciously or otherwise.
that is some funny shit.
