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The first and most common sonnet is the Petrarchan, or Italian. Named after one of its greatest practitioners, the Italian poet Petrarch, the Petrarchan sonnet is divided into two stanzas, the octave (the first eight lines) followed by the answering sestet (the final six lines). The tightly woven rhyme scheme, abba, abba, cdecde or cdcdcd, is suited for the rhyme-rich Italian language, though there are many fine examples in English. Since the Petrarchan presents an argument, observation, question, or some other answerable charge in the octave, a turn, or volta, occurs between the eighth and ninth lines. This turn marks a shift in the direction of the foregoing argument or narrative, turning the sestet into the vehicle for the counterargument, clarification, or whatever answer the octave demands.

Sir Thomas Wyatt introduced the Petrarchan sonnet to England in the early sixteenth century. His famed translations of Petrarch’s sonnets, as well as his own sonnets, drew fast attention to the form. Henry Howard, Earl of Surrey, a contemporary of Wyatt’s, whose own translations of Petrarch are considered more faithful to the original though less fine to the ear, modified the Petrarchan, thus establishing the structure that became known as the Shakespearean sonnet. This structure has been noted to lend itself much better to the comparatively rhyme-poor English language.

There was a young boy called Sly
Who thought his intelligence was high
But one day it was proved
His grey matter had moved
And all he could do was cry

(Bill Shakespeare c 1591)

Told you stick to limericks !!

Limited dumbass !!

Did you not get some-one to read this part of my post to you ?

"The Kraken in its oddly arranged sonnet form"

The poem draws its images from the Norse legend of a gigantic sea-monster that supposedly preyed upon shipping off the coast of Norway (and was probably founded on the observation of an enormous cuttle-fish or squid), first described by Bishop Pontoppidan in A History of Norway (1752). It was said to be capable of dragging down to the sea-bottom even the largest ships because, when submerging, it created a powerful whirlpool, known as the Skagarag. See Brewer's Phrase and Fable.

The connection of Tennyson's sea-best to the biblical end of time suggests the influence of John Milton's Paradise Lost, Book One, line 42: "There Leviathan / Hugest of living creatures, on the deep / Stretch'd like a promontory . . . ." The word in Hebrew means "that which gathers itself together in folds"; the creature has been variously associated with the crocodile (Job 41:1), a conventional sea-serpent (Isaiah 27:1), and a whale (Psalms 104: 26, as in the 1662 Church of England Book of Common Prayer).

A third influence is Charles Lyell's Principles of Geology (1830-33), which had challenged the geological time of the Bible, as had recent discoveries of dinosaur skeletons by Gideon Mantell in Tigate Forest, Sussex, in 1822. In 1825 Mantell had announced his discovery of the Iguanodon. Such discoveries were destroying the case made by Armagh's Archbishop Ussher (1581-1656) that the world, according to calculations based on the ages of the Old Testament prophets, had been created on Sunday, 23 October 4004 B. C. E. Thus, Tennyson's poem neatly combines the Bible, literature, mythology, and natural history, balancing the theories of science with the traditions of Christian faith. Ricks's asserts that Tennyson


Now I wouldnt particuarly call that a Milton copy would you ?

Originally posted by zz man
You freakin numpty !!.... The Kraken is a Petrarchan sonnet rather than a Shakesperian sonnet and is made up of 3 quatrains and a concluding couplet....Maybe like me you should have studied English at school or have you not progressed to joined up writing next.....You give of this odour of knowledge but in fact your are a dumbass whose limitations are exposed ...I guess you ski on dry slopes believing that Kitzbuhel and Garmisch arent real as they have proper snow and are mountainous....Now dont be a twat all your life, take a day off numpty

The Kraken is not a sonnet because it's a 15 line poem and a sonnet is a 14 line poem, moron.
The Kraken does NOT have "3 quatrains and a concluding couplet". For one thing that would be 14 lines and The Kracken has 15 lines, moron.
The Kraken is no kind of sonnet because it's not a sonnet, moron.
Learn to count and we can go from there, moron.

Originally posted by zz man
The first and most common sonnet is the Petrarchan, or Italian. Named after one of its greatest practitioners, the Italian poet Petrarch, the Petrarchan sonnet is divided into two stanzas, the octave (the first eight lines) followed by the answering sestet (the final six lines). The tightly woven rhyme scheme, abba, abba, cdecde or cdcdcd, is suited for the rhyme-rich Italian language, though there are many fine examples in English. Since the Petrarchan presents an argument, observation, question, or some other answerable charge in the octave, a turn, or volta, occurs between the eighth and ninth lines. This turn marks a shift in the direction of the foregoing argument or narrative, turning the sestet into the vehicle for the counterargument, clarification, or whatever answer the octave demands.

Sir Thomas Wyatt introduced the Petrarchan sonnet to England in the early sixteenth century. His famed translations of Petrarch’s sonnets, as well as his own sonnets, drew fast attention to the form. Henry Howard, Earl of Surrey, a contemporary of Wyatt’s, whose own translations of Petrarch are considered more faithful to the original though less fine to the ear, modified the Petrarchan, thus establishing the structure that became known as the Shakespearean sonnet. This structure has been noted to lend itself much better to the comparatively rhyme-poor English language.

There was a young boy called Sly
Who thought his intelligence was high
But one day it was proved
His grey matter had moved
And all he could do was cry

(Bill Shakespeare c 1591)

Told you stick to limericks !!

Ok you can google: https://www.poets.org/poetsorg/text/sonnet-poetic-form
It doesn't mean you have a clue what you're talking about moron.
Even when you're citing this information your own commentary is still wrong, showing you don't even understand what you've just read, moron.
Your pathetic composition is inconsistently varying between 3 and 4 metric feet. Both the sonnet and Shakespeare use 5 metric feet, moron.

Originally posted by zz man
Limited dumbass !!

Did you not get some-one to read this part of my post to you ?

"The Kraken in its oddly arranged sonnet form"

The Kraken is still not a sonnet, moron.
Not because of it's arrangement but because it has 15 lines, and a sonnet has only 14 lines, moron.

Originally posted by zz man
The poem draws its images from the Norse legend of a gigantic sea-monster that supposedly preyed upon shipping off the coast of Norway (and was probably founded on the observation of an enormous cuttle-fish or squid), first described by Bishop Pontoppidan in A History of Norway (1752). It was said to be capable of dragging down to the sea-bottom even the largest ships because, when submerging, it created a powerful whirlpool, known as the Skagarag. See Brewer's Phrase and Fable.

The connection of Tennyson's sea-best to the biblical end of time suggests the influence of John Milton's Paradise Lost, Book One, line 42: "There Leviathan / Hugest of living creatures, on the deep / Stretch'd like a promontory . . . ." The word in Hebrew means "that which gathers itself together in folds"; the creature has been variously associated with the crocodile (Job 41:1), a conventional sea-serpent (Isaiah 27:1), and a whale (Psalms 104: 26, as in the 1662 Church of England Book of Common Prayer).

A third influence is Charles Lyell's Principles of Geology (1830-33), which had challenged the geological time of the Bible, as had recent discoveries of dinosaur skeletons by Gideon Mantell in Tigate Forest, Sussex, in 1822. In 1825 Mantell had announced his discovery of the Iguanodon. Such discoveries were destroying the case made by Armagh's Archbishop Ussher (1581-1656) that the world, according to calculations based on the ages of the Old Testament prophets, had been created on Sunday, 23 October 4004 B. C. E. Thus, Tennyson's poem neatly combines the Bible, literature, mythology, and natural history, balancing the theories of science with the traditions of Christian faith. Ricks's asserts that Tennyson


Now I wouldnt particuarly call that a Milton copy would you ?

Again you've shown you can google, but have no idea what you've just read, moron.
As the source you've stolen this information from clearly states, the part of the poem that can be connected to Biblical references is connected only insofar as Tennyson was stealing form Milton and what Tennyson stole from Milton had Biblical references. Your source doesn't give any Biblical references in the Kraken that are independent from what was stolen from Milton, moron.

This is what happens to posers like yourself who get in the habit of using google and citing others opinions as your own. Eventually you get caught and then you get into an utterly moronic series of comments because you ultimately have no idea what you're talking about, really ever, but in this case, here.

I'm guessing you googled some site and someone said the Kraken was an "oddly arranged sonnet form" because you've now repeated it twice and apparently think it may be true. But you have to understand that there's a lot of crap on the Internet. Even reputable sites can make minor misstatements and if you are genuinely ignorant, as you are, you won't know when what you've googled is a minor misstatement, or a blatant error, or true. In this case, whoever you googled made a misstatement. The Kracken uses a lot of elements of sonnets, but, or course, it's not a sonnet. A more precise statement would have been that the Kraken is an "oddly arranged deviation from the sonnet form." He left out one word, which is forgivable, but you don't know the difference, and you're passing off his comments as your own and unable to understand them and that's not forgivable.

Then you go and quote other sources from the Internet and pass that off as your own without citing them and these sources say, as I have been saying, that a sonnet is 14 lines. The Italian style of sonnet is 8 lines + 6 line turn = 14 lines. The English sonnet is 12 lines + a 2 line turn = 14 lines. You cite these sources and think they somehow support your assertion that the Kraken is a sonnet, because you don't understand anything. You're just a pathetic poser who steals other peoples's comments on the Internet and passes them off as his own and you try not to get caught. But you're stupid, so you get caught.

And, frankly, I enjoy exposing you for the fraud you are, as I have done over and over again.

try this link

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=8&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiNrt2LjZrOAhUI5CYKHXdPD64QFgg1MAc&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gradesaver.com%2Ftennysons-poems%2Fstudy-guide%2Fsummary-the-kraken&usg=AFQjCNGxNsrFN6R-eBKUBt993WZq-GUCKw&sig2=Vy2mJY0Ko-ZMuu5UJnLzAw

Or This

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=10&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiNrt2LjZrOAhUI5CYKHXdPD64QFghDMAk&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.victorianweb.org%2Fauthors%2Ftennyson%2Fkraken.html&usg=AFQjCNHDHBzKkxKLcmnpx-bRCAih46WalA&sig2=6k9n5IoJ8lutyl_Dbn3enw

Or this

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=11&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiNrt2LjZrOAhUI5CYKHXdPD64QFghKMAo&url=http%3A%2F%2Fstudy.com%2Facademy%2Flesson%2Fthe-kraken-by-tennyson-analysis-lesson-quiz.html&usg=AFQjCNG3fSHt1iwza90fVCajvSOREbCQkw&sig2=lPpHY7gg4qcy3Vq9LKKc8A

Perhaps just to read it and hopefully understand why it is more relevant than your Into the Valley etc etc etc

The Kraken dreams of rising from the depths to the top or surface of his world ...when he gets there he fades and dies....I think Tennyson was hugely influenced by your very own Corpus Christi team...even down to the biblical reference

Have a nice day dumbo and dont forget elephants cant really fly...hopefully you can work that easy one out

In one of his postils (homilies) Martin Luther wrote about Corpus Christi

I am to no festival more hostile ... than this one. Because it is the most shameful festival. At no festival are God and his Christ more blasphemed, than on this day, and particularly by the procession. For then people are treating the Blessed Sacrament with such ignominy that it becomes only play-acting and is just vain idolatry. With its cosmetics and false holiness it conflicts with Christ's order and establishment . Because He never commanded us to carry on like this.. Therefore beware of such worship![24]

BTW brainache Milton's "Leviathan" is borrowed from the bible so Tennyson was clearly not copying Milton...influenced by maybe but the original source was the Greek translation of the hebrew bible Theres a reason both Milton Tennyson and a myriad others use this "source" but you would have to understand numerology which you clearly dont


Must go now I have some charity work at the Soup Kitchen for the criminally insane so see you in the queue

Originally posted by zz man
try this link

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=8&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiNrt2LjZrOAhUI5CYKHXdPD64QFgg1MAc&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gradesaver.com%2Ftennysons-poems%2Fstudy-guide%2Fsummary-the-kraken&usg=AFQjCNGxNsrFN6R-eBKUBt993WZq-GUCKw&sig2=Vy2mJY0Ko-ZMuu5UJnLzAw

Originally posted by zz man
Or This

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=10&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiNrt2LjZrOAhUI5CYKHXdPD64QFghDMAk&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.victorianweb.org%2Fauthors%2Ftennyson%2Fkraken.html&usg=AFQjCNHDHBzKkxKLcmnpx-bRCAih46WalA&sig2=6k9n5IoJ8lutyl_Dbn3enw

Originally posted by zz man
Or this

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=11&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiNrt2LjZrOAhUI5CYKHXdPD64QFghKMAo&url=http%3A%2F%2Fstudy.com%2Facademy%2Flesson%2Fthe-kraken-by-tennyson-analysis-lesson-quiz.html&usg=AFQjCNG3fSHt1iwza90fVCajvSOREbCQkw&sig2=lPpHY7gg4qcy3Vq9LKKc8A


Again, you're too ignorant to filter what you're reading on the Internet. You accessed three free sites and you've gotten what you paid for. The first site we ultimately find is written by college students. The second site was written by a former high school teacher who attributes his comment to "A.W. Thomson" - more on this later. The third is from another high school teacher. Neither of these high school teachers even went to a University that is highly regarded (Vancouver and Florida) for its literary program and, frankly, people who teach high school are getting paid tiny salaries so it doesn't attract the best and the brightest. Although you didn't quote him directly the influence for all of these people is probably A.W. Thomson, a lecturer (not a full professor) at some second-rate Universities who wrote a book on Tennyson's poems which attempted to review every single poem Tennyson ever wrote and lightly touched on the Kraken, and in that brief commentary Thomson made a slight misstatement that contradicts every credible source ever. You yourself have already presented more credible sources that say a sonnet must be 14 lines. I guess an idiot like you will believe any idiot who posts what you want to hear on the Internet.


Edit: I think it might be humorous to include one of Thomson's own poems since this is the guy you're relying on. Here is what he thinks is his best poem, "The Emperor's Parrot"

The Emperor's Parrot died, and went to Heaven. This
Was a mighty dispensation, nothing there
Being ground for empire or for parrots. In a dream

The Emperor saw him skied, magnificently fair
Of feather, about to address a transfigured self
To palm-nuts, also transfigured; sun-flowers, ditto;

And drink, etherealized past all transfigurement.
And the parrot looked out and saw the Emperor. Who said
"Speke parot;tell me your mind; now give me

Counsel of frontiers and finance, of heads to roll,
If only in a dream." And the parrot said
Nothing, but put up a short leg, in which was clawed

A palm-nut of surpassing splendour; while opening
A beak vaster than the whole visible world,
And blazing in radiance of appetite, was gone.


I kid you not, this is the "finest work" of the joker that you've put up to support your position.