Warrior General Games

Originally posted by DONKEIDIC
I don't want to clutter up the game changes forum with a non-related bit of comments so I figured this would be a good place to add them.

Bort,

Thank you for making the changes to the Veteran Ability System. I understand that this will have an effect on the player building in GLB. With Players that invested in HOC, not getting to place those points into certain abilities now, but hey screw em. I commend you for keeping this game fresh for the people that do not invest much of their time, and money into this game.

This is GREAT in that from the very beginning we can plan to be competitive, and this will certainly increase the quality of the players who are new to GLB as they can plan ahead as to what their build will be.

It also benefits the new player coming in because they can not be hamstrung in their player development as easily. Its more likely they will spend their first few seasons getting Full/Max XP so that as they catch on to the game, their players wont suffer a double whammy of being built less optimally AND getting less experience than they need to keep up with players 'in the know.

This is a real positive development and as such I am going to show my appreciation. Some players I intended to build with a plan that has been in effect for over 250 real days, but no matter to that, keep the new players happy. Lord knows I'll still keep on paying no matter what you do.

Thank you Bort for making a tough decision that will really help the game in the future!

+1, would read again. Kampers could use a GM like you...

move to GD

Take the overpowered VAs from everyone, or no one.

Would love to add my heard of champ to jackhammer, like I planed to
But having a plan is never good, when building a GLB player

Originally posted by HerrWuff
Would love to add my heard of champ to jackhammer, like I planed to
But having a plan that isn't flexible enough to survive nerfs is never good, when building a GLB player

FYP

I am not sure how changing jackhammer to an SA helps anything. Its counter part sure hands will still be a VA. So now it will cost 15 VP to have sure hands but 30 SP to have Jackhammer.

Didn't the last thread on this topic get deleted?

Originally posted by merenoise
FYP


This ain't about a nerf
It's about changing the way you are allowed to allocate your SP, like you were used to, without any warning
If this would have been known earlier, I would have never invested into HoC over Jackhammer
But build will still be ok - no worries - my CB will survive

Originally posted by Longhornfan1024
Didn't the last thread on this topic get deleted?

wish it hadn't... that thread was good times.

Originally posted by Longhornfan1024
Didn't the last thread on this topic get deleted?

Time stamp ftw.

I had a response all written up for you too. I cannot remember what you had said initially or I'd PM it to you.

Originally posted by DONKEIDIC
Time stamp ftw.

I had a response all written up for you too. I cannot remember what you had said initially or I'd PM it to you.

Cliffnotes:

The burden to read is easier than the burden of adjusting an entire build, so the burden was put on those agents to read the game changes forum.

Those who don't have the VAs yet are still early enough to adjust their build plans while those who already have them are so late in their build plans that it will be virtually impossible to adjust.

This is the best way to make the change because it gets rid of the VAs and hurts the least amount of people possible in the least way possible.

Originally posted by Longhornfan1024
Cliffnotes:

The burden to read is easier than the burden of adjusting an entire build, so the burden was put on those agents to read the game changes forum.

Those who don't have the VAs yet are still early enough to adjust their build plans while those who already have them are so late in their build plans that it will be virtually impossible to adjust.

This is the best way to make the change because it gets rid of the VAs and hurts the least amount of people possible in the least way possible.




Well a 7 season HB thrust into AAA with his team that should have been in the lolminors disagrees. He picked up Ci to try and survive, knowing full well that he would reset it for Scat back asap.

My HB is a end season 7 build. That means he has three more seasons to boost and level through XP gains. this works out as follows...(7.5+9) * 5= 82.5

So, I have 80-85 SP left to fill out a very extreme build. He only has 60 carry at this very moment . You can only imagine how high his other supporting stats are. This player is not young enough to fill out his build. And he will be competing with players well younger that will have Scat back.

If we are using the logic that older players can't adjust, why not make an age cut off? Or better yet take it from everyone.

Originally posted by DONKEIDIC
The changes being made are for the good of the game. I say since it is so good for the game, remove them from everyone.

I say JH and ZS (the SA's) should be on par with SDC, since each of the three is the respective hallmark of its particular archetype.

You can roll SDC AE, but not JH or ZS? That just guarantees that all defenses in GLB going forward will abandon any thoughts of going zone or hard hitter, and the cookie-cutter builds in the defensive backfield will become even MORE cookie cutter, not less.

Originally posted by DONKEIDIC

Well a 7 season HB thrust into AAA with his team that should have been in the lolminors disagrees. He picked up Ci to try and survive, knowing full well that he would reset it for Scat back asap.

My HB is a end season 7 build. That means he has three more seasons to boost and level through XP gains. this works out as follows...(7.5+9) * 5= 82.5

So, I have 80-85 SP left to fill out a very extreme build. He only has 60 carry at this very moment . You can only imagine how high his other supporting stats are. This player is not young enough to fill out his build. And he will be competing with players well younger that will have Scat back.

If we are using the logic that older players can't adjust, why not make an age cut off? Or better yet take it from everyone.

The exception doesn't make the rule. Just because your end of season 7 scat back HB hasn't picked up the scat back VA, it doesn't mean that all, most, or even a large minority of season 6-7 scat back HBs haven't picked up the VA yet. As I said, it isn't possible to make the change without hurting any dots. The route they are going aims to hurt the least. You now have the choice of using the 30 sps to cap the new VA or adjusting your build to not use scat back. It might not be as ideal as getting to switch to the VA, but this route eliminates the overpowered VAs and doesn't take the VA away from those builds who are already using it.

Originally posted by griffin8r
I say JH and ZS (the SA's) should be on par with SDC, since each of the three is the respective hallmark of its particular archetype.

You can roll SDC AE, but not JH or ZS? That just guarantees that all defenses in GLB going forward will abandon any thoughts of going zone or hard hitter, and the cookie-cutter builds in the defensive backfield will become even MORE cookie cutter, not less.



I suppose they could combine the two and take the vision bonus away from ZS. That would make it essentially the zone equivalent of SDC, but with a KL bonus instead of a PD bonus.