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A bandaid on a chest wound as stated earlier is about what this amounts to.Or better yet a cold compress on a heart attack.

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I have played this game since season two and have spent six hundred dollars and a lot of my free time.My choice.Built eight new players in season four and got them on a team purchased by a newbie that only had one player.I recruited 90% of his team.We made the playoffs and were promoted to an uncapped league.We got our asses kicked for three seasons because of that unfair promotion.I later purchased that same team and through several rough seasons managed to win one championship on the way to AAA.Fully built the stadium and provided equipment money to all the players that came and went through thoes seasons.Now most of the players on my team are old and need to be retired.I do not want to have to rebuild my roster given the way that recruiting sucks these days.So season fifteen was to be our season to demote and rebuild.It is only fair to be able to keep our teams spoils as other teams that demoted the last few seasons have done.

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I suggest that to be fair the new demotion rule be spread out over three seasons.

Season Fifteen...No change except to lump all demoting teams into the same leagues.

Season Sixteem...Take away half of a demoting teams stadium and cash and lump them into the same leagues.

Season Seventeen....From this piont on implement your new demotion rule fully.


This is the only way to be fair to everyone that has spent their owm money and time playing GLB.

Originally posted by mantis7
What is the point of keeping a team and being good with finances if the money is not yours to keep and do with that you wish.






How is dropping down with a fully completed stadium and vaults full of cash to go up against teams that have the league minimum of cash and zero stadium sections built "being good with finances"? A chimp can do that. I've never seen so many people who can't grasp what the term "start over" means.

Originally posted by Larry Roadgrader




How is dropping down with a fully completed stadium and vaults full of cash to go up against teams that have the league minimum of cash and zero stadium sections built "being good with finances"? A chimp can do that. I've never seen so many people who can't grasp what the term "start over" means.

1) Can you please explain how having savings helps a team in a cap 14? I started over this season and am currently running a cap 14 team and the extra money means absolutely nothing. I am saying this from experience....Recruiting is the only thing that matters (or having the real life money to build your own complete team). There are literally almost zero EQ expenses and no one cares about salary. You are missing the point, big time. Money does not help like you are suggesting at the lower levels. You seem to be saying that money will mean automatic wins....NOT TRUE.

2) You seem to be unable to grasp the difference between starting over and demoting into a different league. Maybe the problem is YOUR inability to understand that owners do not want to have their stadiums and financial reserves wiped out when they demote. This leads to point #3.

3) You also seem to have no ability to come up with an alternate solution. There would be many, many ways to handle this better. If the money isn't enough to be competitive at the start, maybe new owners should be given more money. I mean there could be any number of ways to help new players, but destroying the stadiums and taking money back from established players is not the best way to help new players.

4) Clearly you are in favor of the change, and I am not in favor of it. I do believe we have something in common: we want people to love and play this game. I have run a team for many seasons, provided a home to many GLB'ers and tried my best to field all human teams for the vast majority of the time (I think only once I had cpu's). I think that with your harsh position (calling people chimps etc..) you are not looking at the bigger picture and really trying to come up with ideas that would accomplish something both sides want....

I don't know where you think all of these new people will suddenly come from, but if you read the post above (about the owner who has spent hundreds of dollars etc..) that is EXACTLY the same position I am in. Luckily for me, I demoted already so I am not going to be hurt by this. I am merely standing up for my fellow GLB owners like I would hope they woudl do for me. You see, everyone who has already demoted gets to keep their money. Maybe that is why you and some other owners (Merenoise etc) can feel justified in saying that it is 'fair' to take stadiums/cash away from others....Maybe because if it does not affect you then why should you care. The owners who already demoted get to keep the extra cash....

Anyhow it is a choice that Bort gets to make. And other owners and GLB'ers can affect the outcome...If enough people come to their senses and see how wrong this is, maybe this can be stopped before irreversible damage is done.Respectfully, I believe you need to re-think your position and really look at the questions deeply. I don't think you have really done so, based on reading your comments.

Originally posted by mantis7
1) Can you please explain how having savings helps a team in a cap 14? I started over this season and am currently running a cap 14 team and the extra money means absolutely nothing. I am saying this from experience....Recruiting is the only thing that matters (or having the real life money to build your own complete team). There are literally almost zero EQ expenses and no one cares about salary. You are missing the point, big time. Money does not help like you are suggesting at the lower levels. You seem to be saying that money will mean automatic wins....NOT TRUE.


I think you probably understand what I'm going to explain to you, but I'm going to do it anyway in case you don't.

The money isn't an advantage when you're in cap 14, or cap 18, or cap 22. But coming in with a pile of money, selling extra seats and not spending on the stadium allows a resetting team to build a huge pile of cash so they can easily pay for EQ when players start hitting level 56 and 64 -- possibly multiple sets for really rich teams. The teams who start from scratch will not be able to spend as much when they hit the same level.

If the money and stadium don't give you an advantage, I'm having a hard time understanding why you care so much about losing them.

I just reset this season, and I'd have been okay with giving up the money and stadium. It wouldn't be fun rebuilding the stadium, but it's not hard, and it keeps the playing field level.

Originally posted by EpsteinsMother
I think you probably understand what I'm going to explain to you, but I'm going to do it anyway in case you don't.

The money isn't an advantage when you're in cap 14, or cap 18, or cap 22. But coming in with a pile of money, selling extra seats and not spending on the stadium allows a resetting team to build a huge pile of cash so they can easily pay for EQ when players start hitting level 56 and 64 -- possibly multiple sets for really rich teams. The teams who start from scratch will not be able to spend as much when they hit the same level.

If the money and stadium don't give you an advantage, I'm having a hard time understanding why you care so much about losing them.

I just reset this season, and I'd have been okay with giving up the money and stadium. It wouldn't be fun rebuilding the stadium, but it's not hard, and it keeps the playing field level.

You should do the right thing and reset ... again ... so that you don't tip the playing field unfairly against the poor sack's who have to play you in seasons to come. It'd be a travesty, and detrimental to GLB's long-term success if you don't. Bag up and show us your desire to level the playing field.

A gotcha of this new rule that I have not seen mentioned or addressed anywhere is this:

A team owner is required to field at least 30 human players between min level X and max level Y for his league, or to suffer the adverse consequence of this rule . It is all well and good if there is always a sufficient supply of these players to be recruited, which I doubt will always be the case, especially in the next few seasons when agents will be inclined to retired their current crop of players to switch to the new archetypes. These owners will lose their stadium and cash through no faults of their own? I can't wait to hear the whining

Originally posted by tonylieu

A gotcha of this new rule that I have not seen mentioned or addressed anywhere is this:

A team owner is required to field at least 30 human players between min level X and max level Y for his league, or to suffer the adverse consequence of this rule . It is all well and good if there is always a sufficient supply of these players to be recruited, which I doubt will always be the case, especially in the next few seasons when agents will be inclined to retired their current crop of players to switch to the new archetypes. These owners will lose their stadium and cash through no faults of their own? I can't wait to hear the whining

Yeah that looks pretty sketchy. I have seen several recruiting-oriented pro teams go down to 20 players or so in the offseason and then back up to a full squad year after year, and without using farm teams.

Originally posted by EpsteinsMother
I think you probably understand what I'm going to explain to you, but I'm going to do it anyway in case you don't.

The money isn't an advantage when you're in cap 14, or cap 18, or cap 22. But coming in with a pile of money, selling extra seats and not spending on the stadium allows a resetting team to build a huge pile of cash so they can easily pay for EQ when players start hitting level 56 and 64 -- possibly multiple sets for really rich teams. The teams who start from scratch will not be able to spend as much when they hit the same level.

If the money and stadium don't give you an advantage, I'm having a hard time understanding why you care so much about losing them.

I just reset this season, and I'd have been okay with giving up the money and stadium. It wouldn't be fun rebuilding the stadium, but it's not hard, and it keeps the playing field level.

This is what I am talking about. You admit that the money isn't an advantage in the early phases, so why not address the underlying problem as you see it...the cost of EQ at level 56/64. SSurely you can come up with a better concept than demolishing people's hard earned stadiums and forcibly taking their life savings.

This "solution" as it is being implemented is like taking a sledge hammer to a problem where a screwdriver could be used.

I reset this season too, so this change doesn't affect me at present. I am just trying to stand up for other owners and for the game that I love. I see this as a bad thing that is not needed. I am seeing owners like you that say "this is the fair thing to do" but yet they have already demoted and are keeping their money and stadiums. Hypocritical if you ask me.

I believe there are much better ideas than taking away people's stadiums and cash...but that is just my opinion. Obviously there is not an absolute right or wrong. I am certain that I am not alone, I feel I am just an average joe...9 seasons...Built up 100 million...Luckily I already demoted, but I can easily put myself in others shoes....

This is a business type decision that is going to make a lot of people quit the game in the HOPE that things will be more "fair." The idea would be to retain more paying customers and attract new ones while making the game as fun as possible.

I think this 'idea' fails at all levels. It will not retain more paying customers, nor attract new ones. The 'fun' factor is subjective, but to me getting my stadium demolished isn't fun. Having my cash taken isn't fun...So all I have to hope for is that somehow the minor league cloud will all of a sudden be THAT much more competitive?

Quite a big risk in my opinion. Like many others I have spent hundreds of dollars on this game and to have the possibility of my team's stadium and finances destroyed feels wrong.

Originally posted by THE_Mongoose
You should do the right thing and reset ... again ... so that you don't tip the playing field unfairly against the poor sack's who have to play you in seasons to come. It'd be a travesty, and detrimental to GLB's long-term success if you don't. Bag up and show us your desire to level the playing field.

I know you're being sarcastic, but I probably will give up money and stadium. I'm not going to boost my team, and I'm not all that interested in playing in a cap 18 with level 10 players. I'll probably request to stay in cap 14.

Originally posted by mantis7
This is what I am talking about. You admit that the money isn't an advantage in the early phases, so why not address the underlying problem as you see it...the cost of EQ at level 56/64. SSurely you can come up with a better concept than demolishing people's hard earned stadiums and forcibly taking their life savings.

I do admit it isn't an advantage in the early phases. The thing you seem to be glossing over is that it IS an advantage later on. Either the money is important, or it isn't. If it isn't important, why would you care if it was taken?

Originally posted by
I reset this season too, so this change doesn't affect me at present. I am just trying to stand up for other owners and for the game that I love. I see this as a bad thing that is not needed. I am seeing owners like you that say "this is the fair thing to do" but yet they have already demoted and are keeping their money and stadiums. Hypocritical if you ask me.

Check back in with me next season. I don't see any reason I can't be competitive with the same amount of cash as everyone else in the league.

Originally posted by Catch22
The new rules for stadium/fan support deterioration don't go into effect until Season 15. Teams that request demotion for season 15 WILL have their stadium and cash reset to the level they are moving to (unless moving to AA).

Don,t know if this has been asked but if i decide to cut everyone and start over with my team and players you will strip me down to a beginning stadium,funds, and fan support correct? If doing all that will I have the default 75 chemistry and will i have the grace period becuase if not i should just purchase another team and roll like that. Now I would hate to think that you all would do that just cause of cash considerations

Originally posted by Varadin
Don,t know if this has been asked but if i decide to cut everyone and start over with my team and players you will strip me down to a beginning stadium,funds, and fan support correct? If doing all that will I have the default 75 chemistry and will i have the grace period becuase if not i should just purchase another team and roll like that. Now I would hate to think that you all would do that just cause of cash considerations



I am interested in finding this out as well, if someone chooses to rebuild and drop down (allowing the entire roster to expire at seasons end, and then signing 40 low level players next season), would they get the 75 chemistry grace period with the reset?

I see a decent number of teams doing this at the end of the season, and it would be a big difference in performance the 1st season to have 0 overall chemistry from 50+ players contracts expiring, and then signing 40+ new players. As opposed to just allowing your current team to expire, and getting on the list to purchase a low level minors team, thus avoiding the major chemistry hit.

I will be rebuilding a team next offseason, and I am ok with the new rules for stadium and cash reset. However, it is a more efficient option for me to think about just letting my team go, and purchasing another one so I starf with 75 chemistry in the preseason instead of 0.

If this wasn't an orignal planned option along with the reset, could you guys maybe look into allowing the 75 chemistry grace period along with the stadium and cash reset? I'd think it would be a lot more work for support next offseason, if everyone that planned on rebuilding just let their teams expire to CPU, and then purchased another one.

Catch22, if you could clarify this, I would appreciate it.

I would like this clarified also

With cash and stadiums being reset to make it fair for the new teams, will we also be getting a chemistry grace period like the new teams would be getting?

Originally posted by Fumanchuchu
you still get 30 million in cash that you don't have to spend on stadium. That's like 2 season's of revenue for a new team.

Why not just build it again if you're not going to benefit from it? It's not that hard, adds a little challenge to a game where many people are looking for more to do rather than less. I enjoy watching the progress of my stadium, the only thing that sucks about it is when I compare to the other teams in my league and realized they can stomp me in recruiting and buy 2 sets of EQ for all their guys because they don't have to worry about it.

Because after 8-9 seasons of having the aggravation of balancing EQ and stadium upgrades, I feel like I earned my stadium. I, (just like every new team owner after me) had to go through building up my stadium and dealing with other teams who already went through it. Just like in real life there are, (were) rewards for effort. If you limit ticket sales by level, where is the extra 30mill coming from? if the seats arent filled there are also less concession sales. It would be just like you had a smaller stadium. And just like in real life, no matter how big your stadium, you could only fill the amount of seats equivalant to your fans. Makes sense however you look at it. minor leagues equals smaller crowds. The only difference would be that I wouldnt have to put money aside, (again) for stadium upgrades.


Ok I was reading this again and I think that 30mill you were talking about was the money I spent to build my stadium. If Im wrong correct me, but If thats what you are talking about why should I have to spend money twice because someone new just started? How is that fair to the owner who has been here for 9 seasons? Also that money is spread out over several seasons. Not everyone is trying to get an unfair advantage. and for those of us who arent, telling us we need to spend time and effort twice, to make it easier for someone else just doesnt sit right. If there is a way to give up the exploited advantage of having the stadium I built taken away, and the only excuse givin for not taking that option is this- (you still get 30 million in cash that you don't have to spend on stadium. That's like 2 season's of revenue for a new team.) Then I hope you don't speak for the people in charge.