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Originally posted by Fumanchuchu
Again, you don't buy flex to build the stadium, you buy the flex to play the game.

If you didn't get endless P-wings after beating Mario would you take it back to the store demanding a refund.

no but if the content of the game is flawed or it is scratched then a refund is in order no? or very least credited.

Originally posted by clarlune
so you don't think a cap on the stadium sections/ticket sales would in any way help alleviate the cash discrepancy?

and, no, i didn't miss anything you posted. i chose to respond to what i chose to respond to. and believe it or not, not everyone playing this game is interested in joining a fraternity.

anyway, it was just an idea that i thought might alleviate some of the outrage.




I have this same question. Why not put a cap on the amount of revenue you can bring in from stadium sections at each level instead of the amount of stadium you can have? This way I keep my stadium but don't get the advantage of the extra revenue. Problem solved and alot of otherwise disgruntled customers are happy.

Originally posted by Team Nucleus
no but if the content of the game is flawed or it is scratched then a refund is in order no? or very least credited.

but then everyone who has ever felt wronged by a changelog entry would start clambering for a refund. I think offering a 100% refund to players who want to retire because of archetypes is a bad idea in itself because it sets a bad precedent.

I know people like to laugh off the BETA tag, but if you're pumping money into something with that tag, you should expect change to be the rule and not the exception.

Contrary to popular belief, I don't think bort and GLB are rolling in cash. I don't think a few thousand paying customers is enough to pay a living wage to a handful of admins and pay for bandwidth and server maintenance and still have some left over for refunds.

The only people who I think have a legit beef with the change are the ones who payed to renew empty teams season after season because they thought they could keep their stadium by doing so, but those teams were also causing a host of other problems by taking up league space and watering down competition, so it goes both ways.

On the up side, the owners of parked teams are having to "shit or get off the pot" so to speak and sell their team or drop down and go for it. This should have a massive positive impact for competition level across the board.

The worst thing about this change is that it should have happened much sooner.

Originally posted by rackhound
I have this same question. Why not put a cap on the amount of revenue you can bring in from stadium sections at each level instead of the amount of stadium you can have? This way I keep my stadium but don't get the advantage of the extra revenue. Problem solved and alot of otherwise disgruntled customers are happy.

you still get 30 million in cash that you don't have to spend on stadium. That's like 2 season's of revenue for a new team.

Why not just build it again if you're not going to benefit from it? It's not that hard, adds a little challenge to a game where many people are looking for more to do rather than less. I enjoy watching the progress of my stadium, the only thing that sucks about it is when I compare to the other teams in my league and realized they can stomp me in recruiting and buy 2 sets of EQ for all their guys because they don't have to worry about it.

Originally posted by clarlune
so you don't think a cap on the stadium sections/ticket sales would in any way help alleviate the cash discrepancy?

and, no, i didn't miss anything you posted. i chose to respond to what i chose to respond to. and believe it or not, not everyone playing this game is interested in joining a fraternity.

anyway, it was just an idea that i thought might alleviate some of the outrage.




What's going to alleviate the outrage is 40 game days. Whether they quit the game or suck it up and forge ahead, people will move one and the new user will see a game with better competitive balance where all the advantages aren't sloping away from them just because they haven't been here for a year.

All these changes are like ripping off a band-aid, it's going to hurt less because they are all happening at once.

Originally posted by Fumanchuchu
Again, you don't buy flex to build the stadium, you buy the flex to play the game.

If you didn't get endless P-wings after beating Mario would you take it back to the store demanding a refund.


What about the flex you get back after you retire a player? Do you return those to Bort too because "you played the game"?

We buy flex to keep up with the Jones's.

Originally posted by sois

What about the flex you get back after you retire a player? Do you return those to Bort too because "you played the game"?

We buy flex to keep up with the Jones's.

Retirement is force upon a player, reset is not forced on teams. And the price for team ownership is nothing compared to the cost of the the players that populate it.

Fumanchu -

I think you are seriously missing the point. Having the cash is not THAT much of an advantage at the lower levels...it is much more serious of an advantage at the higher levels where EQ is expensive.

I think what you aren't acknowledging is that this is taking away work / time / from owners who have paid their dues and built a team up over seasons and seasons. We have had to compete against other owners who have had more cash than us....

Why is it so hard to comprehend that as new owner you won't have as much built up as an established owner? In every other game this is true.

You are acting like this is an easy choice, but in my mind this is the absolute wrong way to fix this 'problem.'

How about instead of taking away the cash that owners have built up and destroying their stadiums - instead why don't they start new owners with some more cash reserves?

There could be so many better ways to handle this...I believe this is the worst way possible.

In my eyes what Bort is doing is alienating many long term customers and those who have supported this game and saved cash and built their stadiums to try and HOPEFULLY attract some new owners.

I hope it works out for you, but there are better ways in my opinion.

Originally posted by Fumanchuchu
What's going to alleviate the outrage is 40 game days. Whether they quit the game or suck it up and forge ahead, people will move one and the new user will see a game with better competitive balance where all the advantages aren't sloping away from them just because they haven't been here for a year.

All these changes are like ripping off a band-aid, it's going to hurt less because they are all happening at once.

This is also the wrong way to look at it, and I believe you are 100% incorrect.

There is always outrage in GLB. There will be in 40 days or 400.

It is pretty much of a basic business mistake to turn your back on paying customers with the attitude of "Go ahead, quit...the new users will come and this will be a better game.."

The reality is that there never will be a level playing field in this game. Taking away stadiums and cash from current customers in the hopes of attracting new ones won't do one thing to solve this 'problem.'

The reality is that maybe new users will come in droves. Maybe they won't.

The ones that do come will surely complain about x, y or z.

I can understand wanting to make the game friendly for new users, for sure.
But There are better ways to accomplish this than a big F*** YoU to paying customers for 9+ seasons IMO.

Originally posted by mantis7

There is always outrage in GLB.

This is true for nearly every change. Bort has decided that if you want to hit the reset button, then hit the reset button, but you are gonna start over completely now. You still have some advantage over new owners in that you already know about finances and you probably have a small to large pool of agents you are comfortable with, making recruitment easier.

What you aren't gonna have is 100 million in the bank now, so that you have to pay -0- attention to finances and such.

Should it have been done a long time ago, sure. But it is being done now.

Originally posted by jdbolick

Keeping your stadium isn't even that much of an advantage. Moreover, the people who have completed stadiums would probably be just fine with the rule changing so that everyone else is given completed stadiums or the whole damn process is removed from the game entirely. It's not an advantage that people are looking for, it's an escape from the nuisance

I never though i would agree with jbolick but this is exactly right.

I have two teams one has a full stadium one has a brand new stadium. I knew I would have to go through building th new stadium again and was ok with it because it is what everyone has to do ONCE with a team.

If people have to rebuild every time they drop down that is awful.

Why not just take the money out of the games allow people to train for free and have one set of equipment + up to 3 AEQ for free. There you go nothing could be more fair and easy.

The money aspect in this game is a joke. It really is the game design that no one enjoys.

Originally posted by tuba_samurai
This is true for nearly every change. Bort has decided that if you want to hit the reset button, then hit the reset button, but you are gonna start over completely now. You still have some advantage over new owners in that you already know about finances and you probably have a small to large pool of agents you are comfortable with, making recruitment easier.

What you aren't gonna have is 100 million in the bank now, so that you have to pay -0- attention to finances and such.

Should it have been done a long time ago, sure. But it is being done now.

Money does not give any advantage. There is no evidence that it does. It is a logical fallacy that it gives an advantage.

The system as it is no means people only have to pay attention to finances for a little while. Which is great because the finances in this game is a tacked on POS that adds nothing to game play experience.

I asked the question before; why have people redo the least fun worst part of the game?
I guess the game is not about fun. I wonder why less and less people play GLB?

You got to love a game that becomes more and more monolithic.

Originally posted by tuba_samurai
This is true for nearly every change. Bort has decided that if you want to hit the reset button, then hit the reset button, but you are gonna start over completely now. You still have some advantage over new owners in that you already know about finances and you probably have a small to large pool of agents you are comfortable with, making recruitment easier.

What you aren't gonna have is 100 million in the bank now, so that you have to pay -0- attention to finances and such.

Should it have been done a long time ago, sure. But it is being done now.



This is a flaw in logic. A team demotion should not be a big huge reset button that is also a self destruct button. You should be able to demote without destroying seasons worth of time and effort and work and savings.

Also, I disagree that it *should* have been done a long time ago....What is the point of keeping a team and being good with finances if the money is not yours to keep and do with that you wish.

Originally posted by merenoise
tbh most of the people QQing in this thread are familiar faces from GLB main. Which is a tiny minority of the total GLB user base.

What it boils down to is that this change is a positive for GLB. The disparity in stadiums and cash by teams demoting created real problems for newer teams. The people who will be negatively affected by these changes are predictably a little ticked off, especially since this problem has been around for 14 seasons. Unfortunately for those people that fact doesn't diminish the fact that the change is necessary. New teams should be on even footing financially with old teams that have decided to reset. The old teams already have the built in advantage of knowing how to run a team and an understanding of how finances work which gives them an edge. Combining that with infinite money and the ability to make money ad nauseum is too steep of a slope for the new teams.

With all due respect, merenoise, I wonder if you'd feel the same way if IHT was demoting this season rather than having done it already. You have almost 80MM (and likely 80MM more in the EQ fund) and a full stadium in L34. It's easy to say, "Go Bort!" when you know that your team is one of the one's who'll see no adverse affects.

I'm all for the change if it's administered equitably across the board. Unfortunately this, in it's current form, is not.

And I completely understand economies of scale, ie; "We'll just replace a few players who spend a thousand dollars with a thousand players who spend a few" but I think it's a reach to believe that there are that many people who are going to suddenly find GLB.

If I were running GLB this isn't the the choice I would make ... but I'm not Bort. He can do what he wants with his game ... I'll do what I want with my wallet.