Warrior General Games

Originally posted by Bort
Originally posted by kingofgod

Would using the new FB blocking code for WR's fix this?

Maybe...the WR's start out running a route to try and fake the CB's up the field generally, though. I could change it to lead block, but the CB's would not have the same reaction time penalties.

Their reaction time would still be slowed by the fact that all cbs are focused pass so they shouldn't recognize run to fast unless they have high super vision. Even then with actual blocking code the WR should get in the way which is all WRs do in real life.

Right now with the WR running a fake route if the Cb notices run, then the play is shut down because the WR doesnt even attempt to make the play

Yeah the RBs definitely need to stop acting clueless and letting the CBs just run around them.

Originally posted by thehazyone
Originally posted by bluemagus

Can we get rosters to allow the community to pipe up on system issue vs. build issue?

I still see the Combo back getting slowly better as bort removed the changes but the PB stayed at a constant but acceptable level of performance.

http://test.goallineblitz.com/game/game_list.pl

Combo Back is not on that list.

Originally posted by bluemagus
Originally posted by thehazyone

Originally posted by bluemagus


Can we get rosters to allow the community to pipe up on system issue vs. build issue?

I still see the Combo back getting slowly better as bort removed the changes but the PB stayed at a constant but acceptable level of performance.

http://test.goallineblitz.com/game/game_list.pl

Combo Back is not on that list.

Look in the per game "game summary" link.

Yeah that combo back is going to get lit up in any good league. Run your initial test with 2 strong backs and see if they don't average over 3 ypc

Originally posted by bluemagus
Yeah that combo back is going to get lit up in any good league. Run your initial test with 2 strong backs and see if they don't average over 3 ypc

The "Typical Power HB" has 110 strength, 70 carrying, 8 lower shoulder, 8 stiff arm, 10 power through, and 8 Dive For Yards.

5-14-2.8
8-17-2.1
12-55-4.6
21-48-2.3
16-46-2.9
19-54-2.8
21-38-1.8
20-65-3.3

Those are "Typical Power HB" numbers in the four test sims I ran since Bort included an increased vision check. That power running back would have run rough shod all over almost any team last season. Totals here? 122 carries for 337 yards or 2.7 ypc.

And really this is all about making all types of running backs viable, not just power backs, but I just wanted to show that even the power backs (in most instances) are struggling as well.

Originally posted by thehazyone

And really this is all about making all types of running backs viable, not just power backs, but I just wanted to show that even the power backs (in most instances) are struggling as well.


Oh I agree. I just wanted to make sure it wasn't a particular build instead of the system as a whole that was causing it. We had powerback and combo back but I don't remember a elusive back on Bort's testing. I noticed that the plays I saw the Combo back came out of the backfield slow and unsure- which allowed the D extra time to break free of the O.

Originally posted by thehazyone
Originally posted by bluemagus

Yeah that combo back is going to get lit up in any good league. Run your initial test with 2 strong backs and see if they don't average over 3 ypc

The "Typical Power HB" has 110 strength, 70 carrying, 8 lower shoulder, 8 stiff arm, 10 power through, and 8 Dive For Yards.

5-14-2.8
8-17-2.1
12-55-4.6
21-48-2.3
16-46-2.9
19-54-2.8
21-38-1.8
20-65-3.3

Those are "Typical Power HB" numbers in the four test sims I ran since Bort included an increased vision check. That power running back would have run rough shod all over almost any team last season. Totals here? 122 carries for 337 yards or 2.7 ypc.

And really this is all about making all types of running backs viable, not just power backs, but I just wanted to show that even the power backs (in most instances) are struggling as well.


those numbers seen fine to me. what about speed and elusive backs using runs that are more suited toward them?

Originally posted by kingofgod
Originally posted by Bort

Originally posted by kingofgod


Would using the new FB blocking code for WR's fix this?

Maybe...the WR's start out running a route to try and fake the CB's up the field generally, though. I could change it to lead block, but the CB's would not have the same reaction time penalties.

Their reaction time would still be slowed by the fact that all cbs are focused pass so they shouldn't recognize run to fast unless they have high super vision. Even then with actual blocking code the WR should get in the way which is all WRs do in real life.

Right now with the WR running a fake route if the Cb notices run, then the play is shut down because the WR doesnt even attempt to make the play

Vision check when the ball changes hands fixes that... Just saying.

thx for the repost hazy

Originally posted by cosmoxl
Originally posted by thehazyone

Originally posted by bluemagus


Yeah that combo back is going to get lit up in any good league. Run your initial test with 2 strong backs and see if they don't average over 3 ypc

The "Typical Power HB" has 110 strength, 70 carrying, 8 lower shoulder, 8 stiff arm, 10 power through, and 8 Dive For Yards.

5-14-2.8
8-17-2.1
12-55-4.6
21-48-2.3
16-46-2.9
19-54-2.8
21-38-1.8
20-65-3.3

Those are "Typical Power HB" numbers in the four test sims I ran since Bort included an increased vision check. That power running back would have run rough shod all over almost any team last season. Totals here? 122 carries for 337 yards or 2.7 ypc.

And really this is all about making all types of running backs viable, not just power backs, but I just wanted to show that even the power backs (in most instances) are struggling as well.


those numbers seen fine to me. what about speed and elusive backs using runs that are more suited toward them?

For that HB, 2.7 ypc seems fine to you?

Originally posted by Sal Basss
Originally posted by cosmoxl

Originally posted by thehazyone


Originally posted by bluemagus



Yeah that combo back is going to get lit up in any good league. Run your initial test with 2 strong backs and see if they don't average over 3 ypc

The "Typical Power HB" has 110 strength, 70 carrying, 8 lower shoulder, 8 stiff arm, 10 power through, and 8 Dive For Yards.

5-14-2.8
8-17-2.1
12-55-4.6
21-48-2.3
16-46-2.9
19-54-2.8
21-38-1.8
20-65-3.3

Those are "Typical Power HB" numbers in the four test sims I ran since Bort included an increased vision check. That power running back would have run rough shod all over almost any team last season. Totals here? 122 carries for 337 yards or 2.7 ypc.

And really this is all about making all types of running backs viable, not just power backs, but I just wanted to show that even the power backs (in most instances) are struggling as well.


those numbers seen fine to me. what about speed and elusive backs using runs that are more suited toward them?

For that HB, 2.7 ypc seems fine to you?

correction...2.7 ypc for an extremely well built PB seems fine to you? That should be at least in the 3-4 range.

Originally posted by PP
Originally posted by Sal Basss

Originally posted by cosmoxl


Originally posted by thehazyone



Originally posted by bluemagus




Yeah that combo back is going to get lit up in any good league. Run your initial test with 2 strong backs and see if they don't average over 3 ypc

The "Typical Power HB" has 110 strength, 70 carrying, 8 lower shoulder, 8 stiff arm, 10 power through, and 8 Dive For Yards.

5-14-2.8
8-17-2.1
12-55-4.6
21-48-2.3
16-46-2.9
19-54-2.8
21-38-1.8
20-65-3.3

Those are "Typical Power HB" numbers in the four test sims I ran since Bort included an increased vision check. That power running back would have run rough shod all over almost any team last season. Totals here? 122 carries for 337 yards or 2.7 ypc.

And really this is all about making all types of running backs viable, not just power backs, but I just wanted to show that even the power backs (in most instances) are struggling as well.


those numbers seen fine to me. what about speed and elusive backs using runs that are more suited toward them?

For that HB, 2.7 ypc seems fine to you?

correction...2.7 ypc for an extremely well built PB seems fine to you? That should be at least in the 3-4 range.

Not necessarily. It depends on how good the defense is, or should depend anyway.

Originally posted by PP
Originally posted by Sal Basss

Originally posted by cosmoxl


Originally posted by thehazyone



Originally posted by bluemagus




Yeah that combo back is going to get lit up in any good league. Run your initial test with 2 strong backs and see if they don't average over 3 ypc

The "Typical Power HB" has 110 strength, 70 carrying, 8 lower shoulder, 8 stiff arm, 10 power through, and 8 Dive For Yards.

5-14-2.8
8-17-2.1
12-55-4.6
21-48-2.3
16-46-2.9
19-54-2.8
21-38-1.8
20-65-3.3

Those are "Typical Power HB" numbers in the four test sims I ran since Bort included an increased vision check. That power running back would have run rough shod all over almost any team last season. Totals here? 122 carries for 337 yards or 2.7 ypc.

And really this is all about making all types of running backs viable, not just power backs, but I just wanted to show that even the power backs (in most instances) are struggling as well.


those numbers seen fine to me. what about speed and elusive backs using runs that are more suited toward them?

For that HB, 2.7 ypc seems fine to you?

correction...2.7 ypc for an extremely well built PB seems fine to you? That should be at least in the 3-4 range.

not if the defense is really good. or was this defense set up for pass defense??

Originally posted by djhoffman99
Not necessarily. It depends on how good the defense is, or should depend anyway.

Yes, of course... but generally, there aren't too many defenses that will be able to stop that HB with ease. I would imagine this guy would be getting 4-5 ypc.