Warrior General Games

Originally posted by PLAYMAKERS
No shit sherlock but we are talking build path to achieve best 3 or 4 piece build. Not specialty kob build with low skilll point, not coordinating. Not previous trophies. The results are in KC won build path and competed every season up to Champions league. Keep hating parrots

I cannot believe they are even arguing with this. Seriously. HIS DOTS ARE HIGHER VALUE THAN YOURS. Worst case scenario is it is the same ballpark. What they do best is have a specific plan and follow it and it works for them.

Honestly our boost early plan we deliberately tried (beginning of each season) worked alright but not ideal. We always planned on experimenting with this group though and had a couple of agents go rogue with their equipment (one forgot what position he was building for LOL)

The quote well the champions were slow build so it is obviously better is such utter bullshit. That is strictly coordinating first, not the dots value. They would win with most roster dots.

Playmakers won up the ladder and in PRO. He wins the game IMO.

What we tried to do is have multiple roles for dots (blocking, rushing, receiving) etc. Which hurt their overall value a little but more importantly was really tough to implement against the elite teams. We learned our lesson with our level 21 dots currently.

We will have fully cooked dots version 2.0 in a couple of short seasons and will be able to compare the build paths quite well by then.

Originally posted by bubbajbucko
I cannot believe they are even arguing with this. Seriously. HIS DOTS ARE HIGHER VALUE THAN YOURS.

You do understand how the Player Value calculation works, right? If I build two power HBs, one with 95 Strength and 75 Confidence, the other with 95 Confidence and 75 Strength, everything else exactly the same, both HBs will have the exact same Player Value -- because both Strength and Confidence are Majors for a Power HB. But I guarantee, the first HB will perform better than the second.

Here's another illustration, once again with Power HBs. Speed is a Minor but is pretty important, so I see a lot of power HB builds plans that focus on Strength, Carrying, and Agility (all Majors) as the top 3 attributes, Speed as the 4th, and Confidence 6th. If I pulled Speed out of the plan and put Confidence 4th instead, I'd end up with a HB with a much higher Player Value, but I guarantee they wouldn't perform as well as the dot with more Speed but a lower Player Value.

Having the highest Player Value does not mean you have the best dot.

Originally posted by bubbajbucko
Playmakers won up the ladder and in PRO. He wins the game IMO.

...and yet he didn't win in Pro. KC went 10-6, finished #4, and lost by double-digits in the opening round of the playoffs.

I'm not saying "trophy or you suck." But I am definitely saying that if KC's dots are truly as amazing as Playmakers claims, KC should've finished higher in the standings and won at least one playoff game. That's not a particularly high bar to clear... and KC couldn't clear it.

Having the highest Player Value does not mean you have the best dot.

HCreek's 4AEQ combo dots had pretty piss poor eff value, but they gave DCs nightmares (myself included). We all know having the right builds AND the right coordinating is what wins games.

That said, and back to the OP's point ...

MM Outrun - 1546 player value 3AEQ. Took no initial boosts.
MM Edelman - 1542 player value 3AEQ. Took all initial boosts.

Edelman got luckier in the AEQ shopping I believe, but that's only a 0.25% increase. If you want to early boost and not suck for 5-6 seasons, I'd say go for it. If you want to SQUEEZE every last point out of the build, go for it. Game should be about fun, the elitist bullshit from some agents / owners has always rubbed me the wrong way.

Could MM win more games if we didn't throw to the outside and feed people picks left and right? Yep. Would I have fun watching the games if we just pounded shit up the middle all day, and threw nothing but 90 degree cut rTE passes and scat HB 'safe' throws? Nope. Play how you want, build how you want.

Honestly Gambler, I'm fine with that. Build however you want.

It's the recent spate of "Foolish mortals, bow, BOW to my team/dots that accomplished absolutely nothing important but dominated in some hyper-specific measurement that I'm retroactively declaring to be important, BOW" threads that are annoying me. They deserve to be mercilessly mocked and scorned, not because their dots or team suck (they're usually fairly good TBH), but because they're acting like they're Michael Jordan when they're maybe Paolo Banchero at best.

Originally posted by Novus
Honestly Gambler, I'm fine with that. Build however you want.

It's the recent spate of "Foolish mortals, bow, BOW to my team/dots that accomplished absolutely nothing important but dominated in some hyper-specific measurement that I'm retroactively declaring to be important, BOW" threads that are annoying me. They deserve to be mercilessly mocked and scorned, not because their dots or team suck (they're usually fairly good TBH), but because they're acting like they're Michael Jordan when they're maybe Paolo Banchero at best.

This thread is claiming bow to slow bulders. KC boosted early and just made WL with 2nd highest skill point team in the game. You are trying to twist the argument into something it isnt. Troll elsewhere

Originally posted by PLAYMAKERS
This thread is claiming bow to slow bulders. KC boosted early and just made WL with 2nd highest skill point team in the game. You are trying to twist the argument into something it isnt. Troll elsewhere

Read the OP again. He wasn't saying bow to slow-builders, he was saying slow-builders have a 2% advantage in Player Value, and then later he talked about how that's not much of advantage. You responded to all of that by trying to hold up your team and dots as examples of early boost dots who dominated, and I've been mocking your definition of "dominated" in response.

Nobody who finishes as the 4-seed with a 10-6 record and loses by double-digits in the first round of the playoffs should be wasting anyone's time declaring how amazing their team or dots are. Troll elsewhere.

Originally posted by Novus
Read the OP again. He wasn't saying bow to slow-builders, he was saying slow-builders have a 2% advantage in Player Value, and then later he talked about how that's not much of advantage. You responded to all of that by trying to hold up your team and dots as examples of early boost dots who dominated, and I've been mocking your definition of "dominated" in response.

Nobody who finishes as the 4-seed with a 10-6 record and loses by double-digits in the first round of the playoffs should be wasting anyone's time declaring how amazing their team or dots are. Troll elsewhere.

2% better yet the 2 highest skill point teams are loaded with early boosters. Take your meds bro.

And honestly, if "got my team to World League" is the Playmakers-approved Gold Standard for declaring how amaze-balls your team is, then I need to start doing a lot more bragging about the Palm Bay Palookas.

Originally posted by Novus
And honestly, if "got my team to World League" is the Playmakers-approved Gold Standard for declaring how amaze-balls your team is, then I need to start doing a lot more bragging about the Palm Bay Palookas.

GOAT team

Originally posted by Novus
then I need to start doing a lot more bragging about the Palm Bay Palookas.

What you need to do is quit arguing on the internet and reboot the Palookas.