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Is there any one attribute/veteran ability/special ability that you feel is overrated? (you see people loading up on it (overkill) when really they don’t need that much).
Bort - probably Superior Vision

AFAIK it's a must have (Superior Vision) if your dot's main part of their game is vision based AND that your dot has plenty of vision to make it work (at the very least, 90... 95-100 better). Also it's far more important to some positions than others.
IMHO, LB's and DB's would be at the top of that list since they must contend with QB fakes, Receiver fakes, and ball carrier fakes. After that I'd highly consider it for Kickers and QB's. O-line next(?)... Punter if going for Coffin Corners... Returners if you have room... but I wouldn't expect it to cure any vision deficiencies. Getting it for any dot with less than 90 Vision would, to me at least, be a waste.

Originally posted by Theo Wizzago
AFAIK it's a must have (Superior Vision) if your dot's main part of their game is vision based AND that your dot has plenty of vision to make it work (at the very least, 90... 95-100 better). Also it's far more important to some positions than others.
IMHO, LB's and DB's would be at the top of that list since they must contend with QB fakes, Receiver fakes, and ball carrier fakes. After that I'd highly consider it for Kickers and QB's. O-line next(?)... Punter if going for Coffin Corners... Returners if you have room... but I wouldn't expect it to cure any vision deficiencies. Getting it for any dot with less than 90 Vision would, to me at least, be a waste.

WTF?

DB's and coverage LB's only IMO

Originally posted by reddogrw
WTF?

DB's and coverage LB's only IMO

i think youre right...and i spent too much time reading these old posts

Originally posted by Originally posted by Ghetto Witch Dr

Bort/Catch,

Superior Vision SA:

This player has a great football sense. He is far less likely to be faked out by pump fakes, head fakes, and jukes. He is also able to see a play developing earlier and may get the jump on an interception or tackle. This skill is far more effective when used by players with higher vision. Additional Levels: Increases the bonus toward avoiding fakes and noticing developing plays.

1* Does the "Superior Vision" SA benefit Kickers/Punters/STOP Players?

2* If so, will the "Superior Vision" SA help the Kicker make FG's and the Punter Coffin Corner Punts since that is a developing play?

3* If so, will the "Superior Vision" SA help the STOP Players in their Blocking/Tackling assignments since that is a developing play?

Thank you for your time.

Originally posted by Bort

1) In avoiding fakes and such, etc. There is not much else to react to, since the target of the kick/punt is obvious.

2/3) No, you're reading too much into the text.

"reacting to developing plays" refers to figuring out who's got the ball and changing their current action to chase the ball carrier who got the handoff or the player who's getting the pass, etc. Special teams plays are pretty cut and dried as to what's going on, so there's not really much of a situation where they have to "read and react."
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Originally posted by reddogrw
WTF?

DB's and coverage LB's only IMO

If it helps a player to see a play developing as it claims, why wouldn't you want that as a QB, seems to me that a QB with high vision should definitely get it. But just my opinion, definitely for DBs and LBs for sure.

Originally posted by ilracefan
If it helps a player to see a play developing as it claims, why wouldn't you want that as a QB, seems to me that a QB with high vision should definitely get it. But just my opinion, definitely for DBs and LBs for sure.



see the post right above yours

reacting to developing plays" refers to figuring out who's got the ball and changing their current action to chase the ball carrier who got the handoff or the player who's getting the pass, etc.

I think its confusing because some of the descriptions for SAs were not changed when they added additional SAs. So, many of them, like Superior Vision, have the player's position in the SA tree for that position, but if you get it at as an add. SA or through AEQ, the description doesn't change to match the position of your player, even if the SA works for them. This is made more confusing by the SA that do ONLY work for specific positions. Its a lot to keep track of.

As far as Superior Vision goes, I am 100% sure I read that it only works for defense. I had the exact same idea: why not use it on offense? Luckily noticing that literally no one else does, I checked around and found confirmation that it only works on defense. If anyone wants, I could probably find that thread again- it was very useful as it had Bort clearing up a lot of the confusion surrounding SA descriptions.

Originally posted by Theo Wizzago
AFAIK it's a must have (Superior Vision) if your dot's main part of their game is vision based AND that your dot has plenty of vision to make it work (at the very least, 90... 95-100 better). Also it's far more important to some positions than others.
IMHO, LB's and DB's would be at the top of that list since they must contend with QB fakes, Receiver fakes, and ball carrier fakes. After that I'd highly consider it for Kickers and QB's. O-line next(?)... Punter if going for Coffin Corners... Returners if you have room... but I wouldn't expect it to cure any vision deficiencies. Getting it for any dot with less than 90 Vision would, to me at least, be a waste.

What fakes would qbs and kickers have to worry about though?

Nvm I see now

Originally posted by 88Spam
What fakes would qbs and kickers have to worry about though?

Nvm I see now

For QB's I literally took the last part in the description to heart; "Additional Levels: Increases the bonus toward avoiding fakes and noticing developing plays." A Qb's whole ability to complete passes is to notice the play developing in front of him. I think I'd have it in my notes if the SA did not work for QB's... but tbph, I also don't have it as a Bort quote either (saying it would work that way). As for the kicker, since vision effects accuracy, I simply thought it might help. For that I have nothing but, again, the last line listed above. Besides... there's not many quality 'Bonus' SA's for Kickers and there's only 3 SA's in their tree so... why not?
It's the 'seeing play developing' part that fits various positions. Just know that for many positions it's likely much less valuable than other higher quality SA's.

I like Superior Vision for my MLBs to be honest. They need to decide quickly if its a stuff the line run or play the pass 5 yards off the line.

If you want to waste tons of resources, go ahead and use SV on offense

Jeff you didn’t, need that comma.

Signed
Socrforce1

Originally posted by kiolb
Jeff you didn’t, need that comma.

Signed
Socrforce1

All in favor?

Motion passes.

that's a conditional clause tho