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Originally posted by Sly
Yea it was a classless move when you saw your team was going downhill and announced you were not sticking around and made some lame excuse about needing to put an apron on and serve lemon-aid. Of course since you were a net negative contributor to your team they actually improved slightly after you disappeared.

Class is for sissies!!! I'm a cancer and I like that! How about the time you said everyone sucked and your team was good and was gonna win, oh nm that was every season. You'll disappear again This season when you start I lose. No excuses this time though as you'll be at level 79. No sly I won't play for your team stop trying to recruit me scrub

Originally posted by Sly
Gotcha. So your position is that the 2 teams you own plus the team you co-own, all of which include the word Hedgehogs in their team names do not form a network which is essentially your main team and a couple of farm teams. And that's not even counting the 27 other teams you are connected with, many of which you coordinate for or have coordinated for. Your position is you have no affiliations with any of these teams and when agents from these farm teams and the 27 others you're connected with end up at your main Hedgehogs team it's only because of your recruiting ability on a completely level playing field. Thanks for clarifying your position, although you might want to inform all those dots on your farm teams they are no longer part of the Hedgehogs network. Pardon me if I disagree, though.



Sigh...Sly

If having any farm teams makes a team a part of a "network" then we are a super duper network team. That is a pretty crappy criteria however, as I always defined networks as multiple teams/owners working together to pool players and helping to run multiple plateau teams overall. I have my hand in owning/running just the Hedgehogs, and no other team owners have a hand in how the Hedgehogs are run, plus aside from Hedgehog specific farm teams all dots are recruited from the open market.

Speaking of Farm teams, we've had 5 farm teams in the Hedgehogs history (over 42 seasons) with 3 of them hitting plateau after season 35. If you are going to use some spec of planning as an excuse for being far less successful the last time we met in USA, it's lol in general, but you don't really have the farm team excuse on your side.

Not that it matters but our farm teams are not actively managed, and only around half the dots ever end up on the Hedgehogs, with the rest moving on to greener pastures in their plateau.

Pointing out my 27 lolGMs as evidence of some secret society is a bit lolz, as is you pretending to have any understanding of my coordinator history. Since like season 25 (and not counting the 2 new teams I am OCing S42) I've OC'd a total of 3 non-Hedgehog teams all together for a total of 4 seasons (combined 1.34 seasons/team, with no active affiliation with those teams prior or after OCing them). Of course I just met and agreed to OC two new teams less than a week ago, so those guys are obviously a part of my vast network giving me an unfair advantage over you in GLB.

The fact is, the Hedgehogs went 4-12 in season 11 in USAPro, and 2 seasons later went 15-1 and promoted to WL (one of like 11 times). That is in very large part because of recruiting. You don't own a team from season 2 to season 42, with only about 5 farm teams ever made, because you slack on recruiting.

#factchecker

Btw sly I'm glad you're here, and less afraid to talk then a lot of the peeps here. I just find it a little jarring to be called the big bad network team, then we are pretty far from it.

Also I detest the notion that I've OC'd 27 teams, as I've only one previously OC'd 3 teams in a single season (including the Hedgehogs), and I have OC'd 0 or 1 teams for far more seasons than I've OC'd 2 (again keep in mind 1 team = Hedgehogs only). OCing too many teams to pay attention to is the quickest path to being a meh OC imo, so I've made a special point not to spread myself thin.

Not that I'm not a meh OC, but you get the point.

Originally posted by WiSeIVIaN
Btw sly I'm glad you're here, and less afraid to talk then a lot of the peeps here. I just find it a little jarring to be called the big bad network team, then we are pretty far from it.

Also I detest the notion that I've OC'd 27 teams, as I've only one previously OC'd 3 teams in a single season (including the Hedgehogs), and I have OC'd 0 or 1 teams for far more seasons than I've OC'd 2 (again keep in mind 1 team = Hedgehogs only). OCing too many teams to pay attention to is the quickest path to being a meh OC imo, so I've made a special point not to spread myself thin.

Not that I'm not a meh OC, but you get the point.

Your not good enough to be a meh OC yet, but keep trying! And as always, thanks for letting me be a part of your vast network...

Originally posted by cubsluver22
Class is for sissies!!! I'm a cancer and I like that! How about the time you said everyone sucked and your team was good and was gonna win, oh nm that was every season. You'll disappear again This season when you start I lose. No excuses this time though as you'll be at level 79. No sly I won't play for your team stop trying to recruit me scrub

Yea it was a classless move when you saw your team was going downhill and announced you were not sticking around and made some lame excuse about needing to put an apron on and serve lemon-aid. Of course since you were a net negative contributor to your team they actually improved slightly after you disappeared.

And we have a full roster at CCIA which most people, even puppet, could probably figure out. I do coordinate for a couple of teams who are not affiliated with CCIA and we have our own players and they have their own. I can probably get one if your dots on the Regional Pro team since it's basically CPU but frankly I don't think your dots are good enough for the Pro team. I could sign one but we'd probably end up having to cut it.

Originally posted by WiSeIVIaN
Sigh...Sly

If having any farm teams makes a team a part of a "network" then we are a super duper network team. That is a pretty crappy criteria however, as I always defined networks as multiple teams/owners working together to pool players and helping to run multiple plateau teams overall. I have my hand in owning/running just the Hedgehogs, and no other team owners have a hand in how the Hedgehogs are run, plus aside from Hedgehog specific farm teams all dots are recruited from the open market.

Speaking of Farm teams, we've had 5 farm teams in the Hedgehogs history (over 42 seasons) with 3 of them hitting plateau after season 35. If you are going to use some spec of planning as an excuse for being far less successful the last time we met in USA, it's lol in general, but you don't really have the farm team excuse on your side.

Not that it matters but our farm teams are not actively managed, and only around half the dots ever end up on the Hedgehogs, with the rest moving on to greener pastures in their plateau.

Pointing out my 27 lolGMs as evidence of some secret society is a bit lolz, as is you pretending to have any understanding of my coordinator history. Since like season 25 (and not counting the 2 new teams I am OCing S42) I've OC'd a total of 3 non-Hedgehog teams all together for a total of 4 seasons (combined 1.34 seasons/team, with no active affiliation with those teams prior or after OCing them). Of course I just met and agreed to OC two new teams less than a week ago, so those guys are obviously a part of my vast network giving me an unfair advantage over you in GLB.

The fact is, the Hedgehogs went 4-12 in season 11 in USAPro, and 2 seasons later went 15-1 and promoted to WL (one of like 11 times). That is in very large part because of recruiting. You don't own a team from season 2 to season 42, with only about 5 farm teams ever made, because you slack on recruiting.

#factchecker


So you have a network, but you consider a small network. I guess a small network is still a network, huh?

Suffice it to say that I don't think your version of events as described above is truly honest and accurate. I just don't have time to respond to all the things that I found to be misleading and inaccurate, but just to provide an example, you made this point near the end that your team went from a 4-12 team to a 15-1 team because of your amazing recruiting skills. Those aren't your exact, but that's definitely what you are inferring. In fact, what you lead people to conclude is that you took a scrub roster from S11 and just brought in a completely new roster by S13. But actually, as I am prepared to demonstrate, you already had the core roster that starred in S13 in place in S11 and it wan't your amazing recruiting that caused such a turnaround since you had same key players in the same key positions. Just to show how misleading and incorrect your description is I took the time to break down your big offensive players and the fact is that you had a star-laden team already in S11. You already had a star QB, HB, rushing/receiving FB, blocking FB, top WR, and a whole O-line in place in S11 which were the same players that starred on your team in S13. I don't have time to do the same analysis with your defense but I'm sure the we'll find the same - you had your whole core in place in S11 already including most of your big stars who shined so much in S13. So your "dramatic" turnaround was hardly the recruiting genius that you imply.


QB Darrell Williams (tyante) was the same QB in S13 you had in S11, so no recruiting stroke of genius there. He was the USA Pro MVP in S12 and one of the most prolific QBs in Pro/WL from S11-S14. You had that agent's G Freddy Smalls on your team from S8.

HB Devon Wolfe (raggman) was the same HB in S13 you had in S11, in fact you had him since S2, so again no recruiting stroke of genius there. He was a prolific rusher and receiver. He had well over 1000 yards and 23 TDs in the regular season S13. In S3 he brought his LB Rock McNasty. In S5 he also brought his T Benny Big'un. All these players were on your roster in both S11 and S13.

FB Adam Obelix (Malvado) was the same FB in S13 you had in S11, so again no recruiting stroke of genius. He was a prolific rusher/receiver, especially for a FB. He had about 800 yards rushing in S13.

FB Jake Hayes (sklz711) was the same blocking FB in S13 you had in S11, in fact you had him since S3, so again no recruiting stroke of genius.

WR Joe Monk (jrope) was your same top WR in S13 you had in S11, in fact since S2, so again no recruiting stroke of genius. He had about 1000 yards and won the 1st place receiving TDs award in S13 with 16. You also had his T on your team from S2. You had his DT Tommy Bear Harris from S4. Between S7 and S15 he won 5 awards for leading various leagues in sacks and hurries.

You had an entire O-line intact from S11 to S13. I've already mentioned above a G and two T's. Add to that C Olin Saturday (mpowell) was with you all that time. And jktooley had a G on your team from S10.


So you probably added a few good players, admittedly, but you already had the core in place in S11, so your the way you described this turnaround as being some product of amazing recruiting is just misleading and inaccurate. And if I took the same time I could show many other examples in your dissertation. So you tell yourself whatever you want, but I know better. I was there.

Originally posted by WiSeIVIaN
Btw sly I'm glad you're here, and less afraid to talk then a lot of the peeps here. I just find it a little jarring to be called the big bad network team, then we are pretty far from it.

Also I detest the notion that I've OC'd 27 teams, as I've only one previously OC'd 3 teams in a single season (including the Hedgehogs), and I have OC'd 0 or 1 teams for far more seasons than I've OC'd 2 (again keep in mind 1 team = Hedgehogs only). OCing too many teams to pay attention to is the quickest path to being a meh OC imo, so I've made a special point not to spread myself thin.

Not that I'm not a meh OC, but you get the point.

I do get your point here. I also have OC'd or DC'd a team or two, sometimes 3, besides my own, in most seasons. And I agree coordinating too many of them is very draining. But the difference is I don't make the effort to maintain about 25 GM relationships with teams that I don't OC or DC. I generally sever my GM relationships when I no longer have any players on a team. It's just a product of my not really wanting to be part of a network, even if it's a virtual network of 25 GM'd teams that I occasionally show up in their forum and say "hi". But you do that. I'm sure you benefit from it in that sometimes a player will know you and is easier to recruit. Or if a team decides to gut you have access to their team forum which gives you a head start and advantage on going after their top players. Things like that. It's a way of maintaining a sort of network without formally being part of one IMHO. Your team has the formal network of the farm teams and the informal network of all the teams that you maintain relationships with. That's my opinion anyway.

Originally posted by Sly
Yea it was a classless move when you saw your team was going downhill and announced you were not sticking around and made some lame excuse about needing to put an apron on and serve lemon-aid. Of course since you were a net negative contributor to your team they actually improved slightly after you disappeared.

And we have a full roster at CCIA which most people, even puppet, could probably figure out. I do coordinate for a couple of teams who are not affiliated with CCIA and we have our own players and they have their own. I can probably get one if your dots on the Regional Pro team since it's basically CPU but frankly I don't think your dots are good enough for the Pro team. I could sign one but we'd probably end up having to cut it.

So you also have a network?

Originally posted by Sly
I do get your point here. I also have OC'd or DC'd a team or two, sometimes 3, besides my own, in most seasons. And I agree coordinating too many of them is very draining. But the difference is I don't make the effort to maintain about 25 GM relationships with teams that I don't OC or DC. I generally sever my GM relationships when I no longer have any players on a team. It's just a product of my not really wanting to be part of a network, even if it's a virtual network of 25 GM'd teams that I occasionally show up in their forum and say "hi". But you do that. I'm sure you benefit from it in that sometimes a player will know you and is easier to recruit. Or if a team decides to gut you have access to their team forum which gives you a head start and advantage on going after their top players. Things like that. It's a way of maintaining a sort of network without formally being part of one IMHO. Your team has the formal network of the farm teams and the informal network of all the teams that you maintain relationships with. That's my opinion anyway.

All that coordinating and nothing but a few comp minor trophies to show or it, you suck!

Originally posted by cubsluver22
So you also have a network?

Not one we recruit from. Maybe you should ask puppet for help with these questions that seem too difficult for you to figure out yourself. Puppet so rarely gets to talk to someone even slower on the draw than he is.

Originally posted by cubsluver22
All that coordinating and nothing but a few comp minor trophies to show or it, you suck!

Exactly, if you exclude my:

S35 Growl Radio Tourney trophy my CCIA team earned
S33 Evil Empire Tourney trophy my CCIA team earned
S31 Evil Empire Tourney trophy my CCIA team earned
S30 GLB tourney trophy
S27 Regional Pro Elite silver trophy
S27 GLB tourney trophy
S12 AAA gold and silver trophies
S8 A silver trophy
S6 BBB gold and silver trophies
S5 AA gold and silver trophies
S4 AAA gold and silver trophies

But if you exclude these 15 trophies all of which I was a coordinator and in some cases both coordinators the rest are from competitive (or lower) leagues.

Of course the difference between you and me being that I actually know how to coordinate so I actually earn my trophies whereas you only know how to free ride and have zero trophies you've actually earned.

LoL at tourney trophies in which most teams don't play in and bunch of scrub league trophies. You've won nothing! I could out coordinate you in my sleep. I will guarantee you won't win shit this season and will probably struggle to even make the playoffs. #gut

I saw some Of your open builds bahahahaha you suck at that too

I love how Sly continually tries to prove his worth with long winded nonsensical posts...Cool stories, especially love the trophies as if they are meaningful in any way. But, but, but....

Originally posted by cubsluver22
LoL at tourney trophies in which most teams don't play in and bunch of scrub league trophies. You've won nothing! I could out coordinate you in my sleep. I will guarantee you won't win shit this season and will probably struggle to even make the playoffs. #gut

I see. Sort of like when you're bringing a customer an extra fork and in the back of your mind you're thinking that if you really wanted to you could probably get one of those high paying jobs in finance, and you see yourself at a Board meeting and you serve everyone iced tea and cupcakes and they all stand up and clap and say how your idea is so brilliant it will revolutionize the industry! But then you come out of the daydream, and the customer is pretty mad because he's been waiting for that fork while you've been standing there in the middle of the restaurant with your mouth open and a stupid look on your face and no one's hiring you for that finance job or inviting you to serve iced tea and cupcakes at the next Board meeting while you pitch your idea to melt down old bicycles as a means to revitalize the American steel industry - an idea which if anyone were to hear it they would just laugh at your excessive stupidity and tell you that you are lucky to have work as a waiter.

I actually know how to coordinate so I actually earn my trophies whereas you only know how to free ride and have zero trophies you've actually earned.