Warrior General Games

Originally posted by tragula
If we only knew the VAs, SPD and STA on these dots. Then we could have an opinion.

go look at any open WL builds, that's what they are based on and mirror.

Originally posted by Dr. E
go look at any open WL builds, that's what they are based on and mirror.

There is more the one WL build. Except from CB 5 that I have no clue what he is doing the rest of the defenders get beat by speed, that can come from SPD, STA and ball hawk. If speed made the play then it is more or less ok. If it is bad coding then, lol.

Originally posted by tragula
There is more the one WL build. Except from CB 5 that I have no clue what he is doing the rest of the defenders get beat by speed, that can come from SPD, STA and ball hawk. If speed made the play then it is more or less ok. If it is bad coding then, lol.

I took a quick look for you. All rosters are the same, speed on one CB is 140, there's a 148 and the rest are 153 or better. Stamina is 65 on all except one which has 60. Ball hawk isn't on many of them, some have the stat VA for speed.

Originally posted by Dr. E
I took a quick look for you. All rosters are the same, speed on one CB is 140, there's a 148 and the rest are 153 or better. Stamina is 65 on all except one which has 60. Ball hawk isn't on many of them, some have the stat VA for speed.

Compare to the WR .....

Originally posted by tragula
Compare to the WR .....

stamina is the same 65. speed is, 95, 107, 148 and the rest are 153+

Originally posted by tragula
Compare to the WR .....

Speedsters and Slot guys all land mid 150's in speed give or take a track star VA.

Originally posted by TrevJo
It's not so much super QB as much as Corner Back Five slowing to half-speed right when the ball is thrown. cue voegma.

wow that was a throw!!!!! at least the CBs got beat and did not dance, but in a real game the QB runs the ball and would never throw it.

Originally posted by bhall43
Originally posted by tragula

Compare to the WR .....

Speedsters and Slot guys all land mid 150's in speed give or take a track star VA.

so are most CBs on the teams I play on

In the OP Bort is quoted as saying "Strong Base skill made to work on run blocking, as I noted in the last Q/A."

does he mean run defense?

also, Bort's last comment about reducing the fakes from non SA moves is stupid IMO. that's a perfectly legit and realistic movement by dots with good agility and quick cut (which IS an SA).

http://test.goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=5683&pbp_id=177204%29

I'm guessing Bort hasn't played football and if he did he was a OL. This play isn't a juke or any special move, all the player did was plant his foot and get up field. nothing special. All RBs are coached to attack that shoulder, the defender came flying up out of control if you plant up field toward that inside shoulder even if he get a arm out you should run right thru it. that's football 101, these are things we coach to 8 year olds.

Also, why don't they allow this defender to gather himself to make a play on the ball, this guys is so out of control running like there is a dog chasing him. In football you are taught to be under control on defense and don't beat yourself that guy is beating himself. Defense is controlled chaos, Key word "controlled." There should be something allowing these outside guys to slow down as they get ready to make a play this will allow so him to get an SA to fire if the defender is in position for either the cut back or to continue the chase outside a SA firing would actually be realistic then as now it would take something special to escape that situation, maybe even say a stutter step for speed guys....?

Originally posted by tdot
http://test.goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=5683&pbp_id=177204%29

I'm guessing Bort hasn't played football and if he did he was a OL. This play isn't a juke or any special move, all the player did was plant his foot and get up field. nothing special. All RBs are coached to attack that shoulder, the defender came flying up out of control if you plant up field toward that inside shoulder even if he get a arm out you should run right thru it. that's football 101, these are things we coach to 8 year olds.

Also, why don't they allow this defender to gather himself to make a play on the ball, this guys is so out of control running like there is a dog chasing him. In football you are taught to be under control on defense and don't beat yourself that guy is beating himself. Defense is controlled chaos, Key word "controlled." There should be something allowing these outside guys to slow down as they get ready to make a play this will allow so him to get an SA to fire if the defender is in position for either the cut back or to continue the chase outside a SA firing would actually be realistic then as now it would take something special to escape that situation, maybe even say a stutter step for speed guys....?

Your reading way too much into things man. These are dots that operate under mathematical guidelines and nothing more. There is no "planting a foot to get upfield", there is no "stutter stepping", there is no "attacking the shoulders", and so on.

These are dots with no fronts or backs or shoulders or feet or anything that run around on a mathematical grid.

Originally posted by whodey08
Your reading way too much into things man. These are dots that operate under mathematical guidelines and nothing more. There is no "planting a foot to get upfield", there is no "stutter stepping", there is no "attacking the shoulders", and so on.

These are dots with no fronts or backs or shoulders or feet or anything that run around on a mathematical grid.

I think tdot is spot on. Making a cut like that is what usually gets you good yardage when running the ball in football, not the fancy juke moves. The sim should reflect the ability to make one cut and go.

Originally posted by whodey08
Your reading way too much into things man. These are dots that operate under mathematical guidelines and nothing more. There is no "planting a foot to get upfield", there is no "stutter stepping", there is no "attacking the shoulders", and so on.

These are dots with no fronts or backs or shoulders or feet or anything that run around on a mathematical grid.

You are reading to much into my wording, I know they are dots. My point was what Bort said about the dots making the motion without a SA firing and that wasn't a motion where a SA was needed. It is a normal football movement anyone that knows football seeing said play would think the same thing. Mathematical Grid or not that was a good football play. now if he want to see less of it like i said allow the defender to slow down and gather himself as they approach the runner and and then he will have situation where an SA will be needed. This same motion will still happen but the defender will have a good chance at making the play with min. yards allowed without a broken tackle.

Originally posted by bhall43
Cut blocking is illegal.

I don't think anyone responded to this unless I missed it, so - no, cut blocking itself is not illegal, it's perfectly normal.

What is illegal is a double-team block where a defender is engaged with one blocker who blocks him high, and then another blocker cut blocks him. That's illegal because it's too conducive to injury.'

A cut block is simply a block below the knees. The blocker is trying to knock the defender down by taking his legs out from under him (also taking himself down in the process.) It isn't illegal and isn't unique to offensive line play in real life football. It might often be used by a smaller blocker against a bigger defender, especially, because it's a way to attempt to block them without taking on their full mass, plus bigger guys are usually not as agile to be able to avoid the cut block.

That said, whatever needs to be done to make the sim work ... but I'm on board with the idea that points invested in the cut block SA should be refundable with a change like that.