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Originally posted by DirtyMike
The answer is in your question.

But here's some help for you. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Formation_(American_football)#List_of_Defensive_formations

2-5

In this variation of the 3-4, known also as the "3-4 eagle", the nose tackle is removed from play and in his place is an extra linebacker, who lines up on the line where the nose tackle would be, sometimes slightly behind where the nose tackle would be

So the difference is that in the 3-4 the NT has his hand on the ground. In the 2-5 it is a LB "where the NT would be" in a 2 pt stance.

And LOL using Wiki as your guide to football.

The reason for having 1 or 2 players lined up in a down position, and the rest standing either at the line or slightly off the line is to so OL/QB won't know which players are going to blitz and which ones are going to drop off and screw up the blocking scheme and/or confuse the QB.

Originally posted by DirtyMike
Some of you have no idea wtf your talking about when it comes to identifying defensive formations and really should step away from this thread because your showing your absolute ignorance of the game.

Moving along, We (PeeWee Community) want the DPC. Don't dumb down the game for the sake of some. The brilliance in GLB Dotball is the flexibility and total control over the DPC and the OAI/DAI.

If anything we need to give the DC's ability to manually set Def Players to play Run or Pass Focus.

I don't want to take that away from the dots, but I would like the ability to designate a play as a run focus or pass focus play. If the defensive play is designated as a "Run" play, dots on run focus would receive an additional slight bonus against an offensive run play, balanced dots would get a slight bonus and dots on pass focus would have their penalty slightly reduced. If that defense were called against a pass play all the dots would receive a penalty.

etc.

Originally posted by jdros13
I don't want to take that away from the dots, but I would like the ability to designate a play as a run focus or pass focus play. If the defensive play is designated as a "Run" play, dots on run focus would receive an additional slight bonus against an offensive run play, balanced dots would get a slight bonus and dots on pass focus would have their penalty slightly reduced. If that defense were called against a pass play all the dots would receive a penalty.

etc.



Gawd no...Defense already has enough crap crippling it, last thing we need is something that will give us a 50/50 chance at a bonus/penalty.

Originally posted by Skoll Wolfrun
Gawd no...Defense already has enough crap crippling it, last thing we need is something that will give us a 50/50 chance at a bonus/penalty.

If you do your homework, that should be no worse than a 70/30 chance.

Originally posted by Rage Kinard
If you do your homework, that should be no worse than a 70/30 chance.

exactly. Would separate the wheat from the chaff from a DC standpoint.

Originally posted by Skoll Wolfrun
Gawd no...Defense already has enough crap crippling it, last thing we need is something that will give us a 50/50 chance at a bonus/penalty.

There could always be a middle point where there is no bonus or penalty.

Originally posted by jdros13
I don't want to take that away from the dots, but I would like the ability to designate a play as a run focus or pass focus play. If the defensive play is designated as a "Run" play, dots on run focus would receive an additional slight bonus against an offensive run play, balanced dots would get a slight bonus and dots on pass focus would have their penalty slightly reduced. If that defense were called against a pass play all the dots would receive a penalty.

etc.


Hopefully that will not be a bonus to all attributes, but something that effect reaction times only. Bonuses that changes all the attribute together doesn't make sense, and usually only imbalance the sim.

I can not picture any restriction of Dots that will stop "exploit" blitzes unless it is some standard set where if the Dline is in x spot then the LB must be in y spot. Doing that wont do stop the purpose build blitzer either, only slow them for tic with the same results we see now. What it will do is present huge weakness for the OC that knows how to play and if you get two good OCs it will cause a lot of 70 to 65 type scores.

Originally posted by jdros13
I don't want to take that away from the dots, but I would like the ability to designate a play as a run focus or pass focus play. If the defensive play is designated as a "Run" play, dots on run focus would receive an additional slight bonus against an offensive run play, balanced dots would get a slight bonus and dots on pass focus would have their penalty slightly reduced. If that defense were called against a pass play all the dots would receive a penalty.

etc.



Originally posted by Rage Kinard
If you do your homework, that should be no worse than a 70/30 chance.

How many teams throw the deep ball on 2nd and short?
How many teams are going to run on 3rd and 10?

Originally posted by tragula
Hopefully that will not be a bonus to all attributes, but something that effect reaction times only. Bonuses that changes all the attribute together doesn't make sense, and usually only imbalance the sim.



A bonus/penalty to the roll to see if you pass vision checks would probably be the right way to go

Originally posted by Rage Kinard
Originally posted by tragula

Hopefully that will not be a bonus to all attributes, but something that effect reaction times only. Bonuses that changes all the attribute together doesn't make sense, and usually only imbalance the sim.



A bonus/penalty to the roll to see if you pass vision checks would probably be the right way to go

You need to be careful with the sim. You want the defender to react slowly so id set to pass focus the run will gain ~1-2 more yards since defenders come in late. But you don't want defenders to become blind (just thing on all the not enough vision' bugs).

If you make a too small change to the roll that will likely have no effect. If you make a too big if a change that will make defender blind. I am not sure if there is slow reacting in between these extremes.

Originally posted by D~Town



Shame on you GLB you are catering to the wrong people if you revise or take out the DPC


Catch22:

After much consideration, Goal Line Blitz has reached a very tough decision but one that we feel will eventually lead to a more balanced sim in the long run. We have had recurring issues with blocking logic due to problems caused from the moving parts of the defensive play creator. GLB has spent countless hours trying to improve/fix the blocking logic to handle these issues but each time we come up with a potential solution, other flaws or exploits develop. As such, we feel it is in the best interests of the game to revise the DPC by limiting player movement to prevent defensive formations that cause coding and/or logic issues within the sim. We will be giving the defensive line and linebacker a fixed number of shifts that can be used in a play as well as giving some limitations to secondary players. We will be evaluating this revision and reserve the right to remove the DPC completely if we feel this does not resolve the issues we have.




True fact stings eh Dtown? Try reading up on all the filed bugs, threads in the Main, etc, etc....big reason this statement by Catch is critical.....

I can only imagine the GIANT amount of Boo f'in Hoo's posted if OC's could create ANY formation player placement, path, distnace they want from every offensive position.......

Time to even up the playing field and get the sim back to normal is way more important then the scoreboard. Last i checked CB pick 6's win games anyways!

Originally posted by Catch22
After discussion today, we've decided to give limited player movement within the DPC a chance before considering completely removing the DPC.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/announcement.pl?id=425

Originally posted by noel devine rocks
if the DPC is deleted i am quiting the game end of story

Originally posted by Catch22
Did you even read the announcement?


Let's find out what GLB is willing to risk. They have already improvised it to not taking out the DPC. I am certain this will not take place season 20. If so then they will get a rock in their stocking for Xmas. I am certain many longtime PeeWee owners won't re-up on flex and from what I am hearing from WL and Pro's in Private forum. Same story.

So do what you do. Once they have a vote on this they will find out what the community want's as a whole.

Can you show me the 2-5 set again Avenger?. I laughed your pretty ignorant when it comes defense.

Originally posted by DirtyMike


Rage, you have proven to me that you know just enough to make yourself look really ignorant about football. BTW, the guide in wiki was posted for your benefit. hopefully you will read in there somewhere that a Def lineman's hand on the ground makes no difference whatso ever in defining what defensive formation is being called.

Anyway, useless thread now.


D-town is just as ignorant too, he is completely clueless about what defies a defensive formation!

Originally posted by The Avenger
D-town is just as ignorant too, he is completely clueless about what defies a defensive formation!

Oh it's obvious who is the total failure.
This is the best 2-5 set up I have ever seen. BTW it only took you 120 seconds to find it. Well keep looking as you are clueless still. Or explain how this is a 2-5 defense to prove your more an idiot about defense than we already think.

Originally posted by The Avenger
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1424258&pbp_id=12642283

Took me all but 120 seconds..theres more, but whatever eh?

I'm just glad to see the DPC being limited, so the exploiters can cry all the way home....