Warrior General Games

Originally posted by RMiller517
personally, it would seem better to reduce it to 3% or even 2% instead of disallowing outside rushing. it severely limits the amount of plays its available on.

lol instead they made it stronger so that it's still 4% inside, and works on fakes outside.
4% is way too big of a bonus. IMO it should work up to 1-2 yards beyond the line of scrimmage and give only a 2-3% bonus. This silliness of having a 60% bonus behind the line from one VA is what's making defenses hold back and not try to tackle guys until they get 1 yard past the line of scrimmage.

The whole VA is ill-conceived, IMO. Bort has said the idea of it was for players to be good at bracing themselves right after a handoff. But as far as we know there is no penalty to ball-handling right after the handoff, so why is this needed? Instead it just makes power backs nearly invincible behind the line of scrimmage. And the bonus to fakes outside is not true to the vision of the VA at all.

Originally posted by Bort



Also, changed SYM again:

4% to breaking tackles on inside runs, 4% to fakes and spin on outside runs.


Love this. Now its the ultimate combo back VA, behind the LOS anyways.

Originally posted by HULK

Love this. Now its the ultimate combo back VA, behind the LOS anyways.



Is it? Still not sure if its worth it.

Dline is getting nerfed/ BB% doesn't give the same bonus/HW is nerfed/Bull rusher s nerfed/ Oline gets buffed, and was never dependant on two pieces of HB% and even a season ago backs rarely got hit at -.5 behind los, now going forward it will never happen, SYM = worthless IMO. And a boost to fake % LOL. 10000% of 0 is still 0

Originally posted by David Stern
Is it? Still not sure if its worth it.

Dline is getting nerfed/ BB% doesn't give the same bonus/HW is nerfed/Bull rusher s nerfed/ Oline gets buffed, and was never dependant on two pieces of HB% and even a season ago backs rarely got hit at -.5 behind los, now going forward it will never happen, SYM = worthless IMO. And a boost to fake % LOL. 10000% of 0 is still 0

Bull Rusher was reverted back to what it was.

On outside runs, a lot of the time its LBs getting to the HB anyways.

I think this version of SYM is better than the old one anyways.

Originally posted by HULK
On outside runs, a lot of the time its LBs getting to the HB anyways.

I think this version of SYM is better than the old one anyways.

better for the RB or better for balance of the sim? Seems like the former...3% would be a lot more balanced.

that relentless pursuit update really needs to be an announcement ASAP. Agents that don't see this before Monday and choose an archetype between now and then are going to be really, really pissed.

i guess i just dont understand what warranted adding the outside need for SYM? Isn't that what Quick Feet was for? I thought it made it more interesting when it was just about in between the tackles.

Originally posted by ijg
better for the RB or better for balance of the sim? Seems like the former...3% would be a lot more balanced.

Oh, better for the RB is how I meant it.

For the game... maybe they should be a counter VA available for defenders. Something like:

Backfield Terror: This defender gets extra amped up if he's got a shot to make a play in the backfield. He gains +4% to make tackle chance and +4% to avoid fake chance if he is across the line of scrimmage.




Personaly, I like this approach better. Its the kinda VA some defenders would take, and some wouldn't. It would be a perfect counter to the new SYM though. I like adding more VAs though. Creates more diversity in the game.

I really like that. I'll go post in the VA suggestions thread.

Ugh, no thanks on the counter VA. The answer is to not give backs two VAs that combine for 105% break tackles inside the line, or two other VAs that give backs 105% fake chance behind the line, the answer is not to make guys have a VA if they want to make any tackles behind the line. Seriously how is that a veteran ability?

Originally posted by ijg
that relentless pursuit update really needs to be an announcement ASAP. Agents that don't see this before Monday and choose an archetype between now and then are going to be really, really pissed.

It's a PROPOSED change. We're still testing it.

Originally posted by HULK
Oh, better for the RB is how I meant it.

For the game... maybe they should be a counter VA available for defenders. Something like:

Backfield Terror: This defender gets extra amped up if he's got a shot to make a play in the backfield. He gains +4% to make tackle chance and +4% to avoid fake chance if he is across the line of scrimmage.




Personaly, I like this approach better. Its the kinda VA some defenders would take, and some wouldn't. It would be a perfect counter to the new SYM though. I like adding more VAs though. Creates more diversity in the game.

ugh...

Originally posted by TrevJo
Ugh, no thanks on the counter VA. The answer is to not give backs two VAs that combine for 105% break tackles inside the line, or two other VAs that give backs 105% fake chance behind the line, the answer is not to make guys have a VA if they want to make any tackles behind the line. Seriously how is that a veteran ability?

4% is probably too high. We'll probably reduce it. You do have to remember that +break tackle and +fake AEQ is being changed though, if we swing it too far the other way it'll have too drastic an effect. It'll probably be moved to 3%.

I hate to ask, but there are several changes here which might strongly effect how a build is going to lay out in the future.


particularly the "relentless pursuit" update. I remember telling my team I wasn't getting it because "3 seconds is too long, by then I'm off the block or the QB has thrown it already"

now that it's 2 seconds... I'd probably entertain the thought on my DE, problem is: I already selected balance because I didn't think there would be any major changes like this.


so my main question is, will there be any sort of swapping of SAs etc allowed (I know when you change a VA you usually give a VA reset etc).

So like would you add an option for defenders that was like "swap current SA with relentless pursuit" or something? That way is wasn't a respec or anything, but allowed for people who are more enticed by it now to actually get it(assuming this does go live)


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and ya, SYM looks even worse to go up against now