Warrior General Games

OK, there is a plan being put forward that equipment will no longer be paid for by teams.

If this is the case, what will the teams be doing with the cash?

Will there be an advantage for teams with $100M vs teams with $2M in cash?

- In a cap 14 league?
- In a cap 38 league?
- In a cap 46 league?
- In a AA/AAA league?
- In a Pro league?
- In WL?

Until we see what the plans are for the cash, it's hard to determine. If there is a slight advantage, then no worry about stadium or cash resets. If there is even the slightest possibility that the system can be "gamed" with this excess cash, then there should be an attempt to remove the capability, either by design of the system, or by reducing the excess cash/income.

I'm not saying what should or shouldn't be done, but I do want Bort/Admins to be conscious that if there is a way to game the system, owners will find a way to do it, and owners that "have" the cash at lower levels will eventually have the cash at upper levels.

What will they be able to do with the cash? Pay players more? Advertise more to generate more income and have improved moral on the team? Better training?

Once you answer the question of what will be able to be done with the cash, then come up with a solution that allows all teams to have a fair footing in the new system.....until then, you will have huge arguments about whether to reset or not reset.

There will be no 100 million dollar teams. They're destroying stadiums and taking away cash from successful clubs.

That is unless you moved last season, then you're farting sunshine and lollipops.

Originally posted by Shayde
There will be no 100 million dollar teams. They're destroying stadiums and taking away cash from successful clubs.

That is unless you moved last season, then you're farting sunshine and lollipops.

There WILL be teams with $100M in cash and full stadiums....

I'm just wanting to know what the plan is for use of the cash and income...

Don't get this rolled into a stadium/cash reset thread....this is hopefully enough different to remain a separate thread...

The plan is still being formed ...

Along with an ongoing discussion on the test server, there is a live server discussion here:
http://goallineblitz.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=3789390

... that was a spin-off of this:
http://goallineblitz.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=3784973

Originally posted by Shayde
There will be no 100 million dollar teams. They're destroying stadiums and taking away cash from successful clubs.

That is unless you moved last season, then you're farting sunshine and lollipops.

You are so far off it is sad.

Originally posted by turnit643
The plan is still being formed ...

Along with an ongoing discussion on the test server, there is a live server discussion here:
http://goallineblitz.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=3789390

... that was a spin-off of this:
http://goallineblitz.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=3784973





added to the first:
Originally posted by PackMan97
I like the idea....not sure about the implementation.

Rich get Richer - This is a HUGE problem especially with the way fan support and playoff tickets work. The financial difference between a team that hosts 3-4 playoff games and one with a losing season is HUGE! Absolutely HUGE! If money affects play to a large degree, this gap is just gonna widen.

Possible Solutions:
** Make the play per pay bonus based on the average salary in that conference. This way it's something that can change every season and salaries can be part of the meta-game. In other words, OL shouldn't get shafted because OL get paid low. OL should only get shafted if they are paid less than other OL.
-> Needs some good reporting for leagues to help agents (and owners) know what the average/min/max salaries are in a league.


** Salary Cap - Ya, I know....but with a salary cap you force teams to pick and choose. The rich can only spend so much money, just like everyone else.

** Luxury Tax - As a soft salary cap. You can spend over the limit, but maybe it costs you 2x that salary if you go over the limit. This tax gets funneled down to the rest of the conference that didn't go over the cap.

** Fan Support and Home Playoff Games - These are VERY broken right now. Fan support and home games can make or break finances for a team and if you leave this as is, only teams that can manage very high fan support and home playoff games will have a prayer. I don't know what the solution to this problem is, but it needs to be fixed if money is going to have a bigger impact in things.


This does seem to be on the right track.

One problem by not resetting all teams to at least some reasonable cash/stadium in a specific level, is the current "rich" teams will have a major advantage over the basic "reset" team all during the growth...can buy/build more stuff, pay players more, have more income, etc.

Not only do you have a "luxury" tax on player salary, but also have a tax on income/stadium valuation above league average. The tax gets put back into the league as part of a "wealth redistribution". This will allow "reset" teams to at least start catching up to the "completed" teams that have been reset prior to this season.

Basically, if you're in a cap 18 league with a completed stadium and $100M in cash, you generate (for example only) $30M in income per season in ticket sales, and the "cost of players+equip" (salary and level specific equipment for each player) is $20M (again, for example only)....the league averages are 100-level stadium complete, $3M in cash, $15M in income, and $15M in cost of player-equip, then a wealth tax of 10% above averages has a $10M+$3M for cash/income, a "depreciation tax" on the 200/300 levels of the stadium (10% of build cost for example -) $2M plus the luxury tax on salary above league average of 10% of $5M for a total tax of $15.5M that gets shared with teams below league average on a % basis.

1) Salary cannot be re-negotiated during the season...gets "captured" on day 0 for computing the above averages for league.
2) In season player signing that pushes team salary above league average would cause a signing tax to be captured.
3) Teams with less than max roster have the average salary of all players added to the team salary for computation of costs
4) Equipment funds can be set, but if players use that, the team is taxed as if that money was part of salary.

Computation needs:
day 0 player count and salary for a total league salary average and total.
day 0 average ticket price of tickets sold providing an "expected" ticket sales income for season - average for all teams in league
day 0 stadium size
day 0 team cash average (less ticket sales for season), including equipment fund and any equipment $ spent during pre-season (or have no equipment purchases during pre-season)

Redistribution calculations:
Team player average salary is extrapolated for full roster at league average salary or team average salary, which ever is higher - luxury salary cap tax applied
League average cash position - tax calculated on above league average
League average income - tax calculated on above league average
Teams with above average cash/income have tax applied according to the above two items, starting at 10-20% above league average
- an income rich team doesn't get taxed if they have below average total, for example.
Teams with below league average cash/income get a % of the captured taxes based on how much below the average they are.

I know there are holes, but a redistribution system is the only way to equalize the playing field for the current teams with huge cash and fully completed stadiums in lower level leagues. At the upper levels, it will only be a minor impact to the "rich" teams, but they will continue to be the rich as long as they continue performing well.

... what will team $ be used for?

... something for lolmods/admins/management to play with. Arbitrarily taking away a team's cash is going to provide boatloads of chuckles for them.

It won't be used for anything on my team. If they take cash and stadium away then they will lose a PAYING customer. They really need to rethink this whole concept. They could easily place like level teams with full stadiums in the same league.

Originally posted by bowler844
It won't be used for anything on my team. If they take cash and stadium away then they will lose a PAYING customer. They really need to rethink this whole concept. They could easily place like level teams with full stadiums in the same league.

So what about the wealth redistribution system instead of the reset?

Originally posted by bowler844
It won't be used for anything on my team. If they take cash and stadium away then they will lose a PAYING customer. They really need to rethink this whole concept. They could easily place like level teams with full stadiums in the same league.


You're 9-0 in a level 22 league with a completed stadium. None of that is going to be taken away from you unless you elect to "start over". What are you whining about?

Originally posted by Larry Roadgrader
You're 9-0 in a level 22 league with a completed stadium. None of that is going to be taken away from you unless you elect to "start over". What are you whining about?
You bash people who would be affected by this rule change as being selfishly motivated, then you bash people who wouldn't be affected by this rule change as whining about something that doesn't affect them. Basically anyone who disagrees with you is either selfish or whining, but no one can possibly have a legitimate objection to the change. And you wonder why people think of you as a crusty old grandpa who bitches constantly about everything, just for the sake of bitching.

Originally posted by Larry Roadgrader
Originally posted by bowler844

It won't be used for anything on my team. If they take cash and stadium away then they will lose a PAYING customer. They really need to rethink this whole concept. They could easily place like level teams with full stadiums in the same league.


You're 9-0 in a level 22 league with a completed stadium. None of that is going to be taken away from you unless you elect to "start over". What are you whining about?

Am I reading this wrong? Does everyone who is not in an upper tier league get affected?

Lv 34 - Stadium: +Lower Home Left, +Lower Home Right, +Lower Away Left, +Lower Away Right, +Lower Endzone Left, +Lower Endzone Right, +Second Home, +Second Away; Cash: 10,000,000; Fan Support: 30/10/0

you're reading it wrong. The level 34 base stadium is for teams that request a demotion to level 34, not for teams promoting to level 34.

Only if you request a demotion is there ANYTHING that happens.

If you request a demotion to start rebuilding a team, then you are subject to the new "reset" rules.