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jdbolick
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Originally posted by David Stern
Really? BB% is the only reason? Tha is bullshit IMO. Let me explain why. The best sack guys on the 3 top teams I gm for have less than 26% break block.

Maybe you should look around the rest of GLB instead of just basing things on such a small sample. Breaking blocks is everything when it comes to the pass rush, especially now that they've addressed most of the exploits that allowed some DEs to be unblocked, along with more or less eliminated the untouched speed rush around the edge. You're right that D-linemen have a lot more useful VAs than O-linemen, but the pass block formula still overwhelmingly favors the blocker. Take away bb% stacks and that's going to swing even more their way. Regardless, it's just downright silly to say that hold block % AEQ has had more of an impact than bb% AEQ, especially considering that bb% has been far more prevalent.

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Passing is dominant bc everybody realized you needed 2 pq pieces to even have a 50% completion offense.

Hardly. Most teams don't have two pq pieces, and if you've looked at quarterbacks before and after adding a first or second piece, you'll probably notice that the difference isn't all that significant. Passing in GLB has much less to do with the QB than it does the receivers and the coverage.
 
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Originally posted by jdbolick
Break block % is the only reason defensive linemen ever get any pressure, so losing hold block % means nothing.


wut
 
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Originally posted by David Stern
Originally posted by jdbolick


Total nonsense. Break block % is the only reason defensive linemen ever get any pressure, so losing hold block % means nothing. Moreover, stacked pass quality doesn't appear to have the effect on performance that you would expect it to. Passing is dominant at high levels in the current sim because zone was nerfed.


Really? BB% is the only reason? Tha is bullshit IMO. Let me explain why.
The best sack guys on the 3 top teams I gm for have less than 26% break block.
Dline has 5 great va's oline has 1 maybe????
Passing is dominant bc everybody realized you needed 2 pq pieces to even have a 50% completion offense....
Add the fact zone is nerfed, and everybody "fixed their builds" (bought 2 pieces of PQ aeq)

Now when you take those offensive bonuses away you're gonna have a defensive sim in a major way.

Linebackers can be successful in GLB with 0 AEQ, a HB with 0 aeq is playing in AA.... That is the biggest problem with taking away these % pieces, they are much more beneficial for offensive personal.

BB % isn't the only reason at all, VA's play a HUGE part in giving the D-line the advantage, but the passing game has more to do with the sim than PQ %.
 
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Originally posted by jdbolick

. Passing in GLB has much less to do with the QB than it does the receivers and the coverage.


You're wrong. It might not have as much to do with the qb as I am saying it does. But everything related to passing success is coming from the offensive end, I can promise you that.
 
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Originally posted by David Stern
Originally posted by jdbolick


. Passing in GLB has much less to do with the QB than it does the receivers and the coverage.


You're wrong. It might not have as much to do with the qb as I am saying it does. But everything related to passing success is coming from the offensive end, I can promise you that.


It's obviously a combination of the sim, the coverage, the receivers, the protection, the morale/stamina of all offensive/defensive players and the QB.
 
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Originally posted by Maddoc
How else could it be done? It's not like we can have specific CBs cover specific WRs


We've actually discussed that briefly.
 
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Originally posted by blln4lyf
BB % isn't the only reason at all, VA's play a HUGE part in giving the D-line the advantage

I suppose that's to be determined. Before the new VAs, bb% was the only thing that would get you consistent pressure, at least since nerfing the untouched outside speed rush. It remains to be seen if Bull Rusher and Technique Man will continue to be as effective without the extra power from bb%. Regardless, I'll cop to over-stating things and change to "Break block % is the biggest reason defensive linemen ever get any pressure."

Originally posted by David Stern
You're wrong. It might not have as much to do with the qb as I am saying it does. But everything related to passing success is coming from the offensive end, I can promise you that.

That's nonsense. Obviously the nerf to zone affected things drastically, so saying that it's all on the offensive end is silly. The opposing dots matter quite a bit. Moreover, I think you'll see that taking a dominant WR from one team to another will still leave him dominant, but I haven't seen the same be true of QBs. The ability to get open and then do something with the ball after the catch is huge in this sim.
 
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Originally posted by jdbolick
Originally posted by blln4lyf

BB % isn't the only reason at all, VA's play a HUGE part in giving the D-line the advantage

I suppose that's to be determined. Before the new VAs, bb% was the only thing that would get you consistent pressure, at least since nerfing the untouched outside speed rush. It remains to be seen if Bull Rusher and Technique Man will continue to be as effective without the extra power from bb%. Regardless, I'll cop to over-stating things and change to "Break block % is the biggest reason defensive linemen ever get any pressure."



Yeah...no.
 
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Originally posted by blln4lyf
Yeah...no.

Yeah, it is.
 
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