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Originally posted by PP

That said, it appears that when the default play (HB Streak) is over ridden by QB Checkdown Order Override (making someone else the primary), the plays default target won't stay in to block, even though it has been over ridden (confusing wording: HB won't stay in to block on HB streak even though QB Checkdown Order Override has the TE set as the 1st target)


I would also worry about the pass distance. Since the designed pass distance is supposed to alter the QB risk factors, does it changes when you switch the primary or stays with the original one.
Consider the SG HB Flat as an example, when moving the primary to WR2. One expects the QB to wait for the long routes, but maybe he will still try top throw a quick one.

Originally posted by timthorn
Does my eye deceive me, or is this an nice buff to the Defense.

Kinda gotta happen if passing is getting a buff (and it looks like it is).

Originally posted by timthorn
Does my eye deceive me, or is this an nice buff to the Defense.


That you PP for bringing up the encroachment issue and the extra bonus w/ PD/INT's.

Well, ultimately, everything is up to Bort, but one of the things I'm trying to do is make the sim more fun and less frustrating. Big plays on O and ints & sacks on D are all fun. If you're going to help the O, you should also help the D.

I agree with INTs needing more of a buff and encroachments more of a nerf. The other thing I noticed, is that PDs at the LOS seem a little high. Maybe it was just the way one team was built, but you don't normally see 5+ passes batted down at the LOS in the first half of a game. Maybe if the line and blitzers have high jumping and vision and the QB is throwing all bullet passes.

Originally posted by palmer_garnett_95
I agree with INTs needing more of a buff and encroachments more of a nerf. The other thing I noticed, is that PDs at the LOS seem a little high. Maybe it was just the way one team was built, but you don't normally see 5+ passes batted down at the LOS in the first half of a game. Maybe if the line and blitzers have high jumping and vision and the QB is throwing all bullet passes.

Good catch. I didn't notice that, but it's probably a side effect of Bort upping the PDs. I'll pay attention to it in the next test and mention it, if it occurs again (could be a freak that game, but I doubt it)

We still haven't been told how the QB reads will work. If he simply "knows" that the defender is blitzing, then you're going to see a lot of people NOT blitz their defenses and cover the hell out of the pass. Mix that with increased PDs and INTs, slower read times, and we might have some issues.

Originally posted by Staz
We still haven't been told how the QB reads will work. If he simply "knows" that the defender is blitzing, then you're going to see a lot of people NOT blitz their defenses and cover the hell out of the pass. Mix that with increased PDs and INTs, slower read times, and we might have some issues.

First, based on the testing I've done, I don't think that will be very effective. Frankly, you're missing the changes to help get WRs open in your equation. From what I've seen in the tests, getting pressure on the QB will be the D's best friend this ssn, not doubling or tripling WRs.

If you have specific ?s, I'll try to get them answered though.

Originally posted by PP
First, based on the testing I've done, I don't think that will be very effective. Frankly, you're missing the changes to help get WRs open in your equation. From what I've seen in the tests, getting pressure on the QB will be the D's best friend this ssn, not doubling or tripling WRs.

If you have specific ?s, I'll try to get them answered though.

I do have a question: In the replays you listed most recently, it seems as if the QB throws the ball away almost directly to the sideline. This isn't realistic as most QBs throw the ball about 20 yards down field, out of bounds. Throwing the ball behind the LOS when still in the pocket is intentional grounding.

Has anybody noticed this? Causing QBs to throw is forward under pressure could raise the PDs and INTs a bit if the QB is hit while he's throwing.

Originally posted by PP

Thoughts:
When QB Checkdown Order Override sets the HB as the primary target, but the default play doesn't (not a HB pass as designed by the play), the HB is still staying in to blk.

That said, it appears that when the default play (HB Streak) is over ridden by QB Checkdown Order Override (making someone else the primary), the plays default target won't stay in to block, even though it has been over ridden (confusing wording: HB won't stay in to block on HB streak even though QB Checkdown Order Override has the TE set as the 1st target)


Any updates on this ? Did Bort fix it before the new update, or will it go straight to the bug forum.

Any clue what is the effect of the default primary receiver route distance (long/medium/short). Does it have any direct effect in the new sim ? Does it changes when changing the #1 target ?

Originally posted by tragula
Any updates on this ? Did Bort fix it before the new update, or will it go straight to the bug forum.

Any clue what is the effect of the default primary receiver route distance (long/medium/short). Does it have any direct effect in the new sim ? Does it changes when changing the #1 target ?


Can we expect the defenders to play the ball instead of players? A good defense plays the ball until about the 10 yard line. then they play players.

Originally posted by Staz
I do have a question: In the replays you listed most recently, it seems as if the QB throws the ball away almost directly to the sideline. This isn't realistic as most QBs throw the ball about 20 yards down field, out of bounds. Throwing the ball behind the LOS when still in the pocket is intentional grounding.

Has anybody noticed this? Causing QBs to throw is forward under pressure could raise the PDs and INTs a bit if the QB is hit while he's throwing.

Frankly, they go all over the place right now. I still have a couple tests I need to do on Audibles and targeting, but messing with the aggressive settings is something I also need to test. I was already anticipating the high likelihood of mentioning this in the sum for those tests, since I already saw that myself.

Originally posted by tragula
Any updates on this ? Did Bort fix it before the new update, or will it go straight to the bug forum.

Any clue what is the effect of the default primary receiver route distance (long/medium/short). Does it have any direct effect in the new sim ? Does it changes when changing the #1 target ?


That was fixed in the last 3 test games I ran

Originally posted by Adderfist
Can we expect the defenders to play the ball instead of players? A good defense plays the ball until about the 10 yard line. then they play players.

Honestly, I'd be surprised if anything major changes, outside of the things listed in Bort's alert. That's a p big list to get everything working right on. For what it's worth, I'm planning on trying to push for those types of D improvements this ssn (for ssn 15)