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To do this after all the changes were made would only cause more issues. Since many of the things being 'nerfed' and 'juiced' are positional related, the weight change could drastically affect those, possibly even making those 'nerfs' unnecessary.
Slash, you're saying that we would need to wait until the game is completely developed before making a drastic change like this? Doesn't make sense. To me, you increase the effect of weight on the physical skills, and allow people a chance to reroll their weight, and only their weight.

John, while usually I agree with you on things, I really don't think a positional breakdown is the way to go. In that event, a 245lb DE would be just as strong as a 285lb DE, or that they would have equal speed? I'm not sure that's the way to do.

Originally posted by SteelCity Mafia
Has potential. What about height?

Height doesn't affect skills as much as weight does. If you've got a 6'4 WR, he could easily be the same speed as a 5'9 WR. To me, height doesn't really play a huge role in much outside of the QB seeing over the line, and the WR being able to get over the CB. Those things are already implemented, if I'm not correct

Originally posted by EagleOtto
All weight will do is make the strong, stronger, and the fast, faster, and make any strange player builds in effective.


You mean making unrealistic builds ineffective? You mean like a 350lb DT able to bounce around the line like a rubber ball? Yeah, that's the point. Players should move realistically. No way your center should have an equal 40 time as your WR with 100 speed.

Originally posted by Staz
Originally posted by SikoraP13

Originally posted by Staz


Originally posted by SikoraP13



As long as you implement a training system to alter weight in small increments, +1

This is a possibility. Maybe some off season type deal?

I was thinking something more along the lines of 10TPs (5 days) = +/- 3-5 lbs

I think that would be a little drastic. 10TP would mean about 4 times a season. You could GAIN 12-20lbs? Over the course of a season, you generally lose a pound or two, so that wouldn't really be all to realistic. Most of the weight gain is in the offseason, and I think about 10lbs should be a GOOD gain?


MVCoach91 - Those two ideas are perfect. The weight re-roll could apply to EVERYBODY, actually.

Actually +/- 20-30 lb differences through a single season is very doable. Players actually do it often in the early portion of a season when they come from off season out of shape (usually Linemen).
What about an option for Normal Training + Weight Gain (high carb diet) / Weight Loss (heavy cardio workout)? 0.3 lb / use. There would have to be a weight Min & Max instituted (if one is not already there).

then switch it to weight ranges

you want speed to count differently for different positions
180-200=100%
201-240=95%
241-280=90%
281-300=85%
301-320=80%
how you break it down is this.
cut it in half- that's your starting stat. then 0-100 is your % of the other half.

so a 180 lb with 68 speed would break down like this
50+(68%x50)=84

a 180 lber with 100 speed would break down like this
50+(100%x50)=100

and a 300 lber with 68 speed would break down like this
40+(68%x40)=67.2

a 300lber with 100 speed would break down like this
40+(100%x40)=80

so everyone would still build there stats from 0-100 but it would be weighted more.




and for people that like to go over 100

50+(110%x50)=105

Skoll, that's headed in the right direction. I'm not quite able to translate that (long day) just yet, perhaps flesh it out more?

Also, while I agree LOSING 20+ lbs is possible for an out of shape player, how often do you see them GAINING 20lbs?

John, that's a better idea. I'd prefer to see weight be included into the formula, though. If you're at 60 speed, 100% of that is 60, obviously. The heavier you are, the lower % you are in that speed. Once you get to the 230 range, you begin to notice the decrease.

The thing is, what would 100% be, and how can we get the formula right without making 220lb players slow as hell? I like the way you sort of put it into ranges, and that could easily be doable.

you want speed to count differently for different positions
180-200=100
201-240=95
241-280=90
281-300=85
301-320=80
how you break it down is this.
cut it in half- that's your starting stat. then 0-100 is your % of the other half.


a 216lb hb with 68 speed

47.5+(68%x47.5)=79.8

a 246 lb chasing him down with 68 speed

45+(68%x45)=75.6

180-200=100
201-225=95
226-255=90
256-275=85
276-300=80
301-330=75
331-350+=70

I think that could work, if you turn them into percents of max speed. Take the current formula for speed, and just add the % factor in there. For a 267LB DE, you'd take the current formula for max speed/agility and multiply it by .85. Voila, you've got a toned down DE by his weight.

Same thing could be done with strength, only reversed.

bingo

this is becoming epic imo.

nice breakdown johnbarber.

Originally posted by johnbarber
bingo

Now the question would be, do we go based off of "ranges", or do we design a formula for every number?

Anybody good with math that could put weight into a formula. Making 350lbs about 70% as effective as 180lbs? That would be just the speed formula, of course. Agility could be a little less drastic, and strength would be almost reversed.

indeed...if you could set up a curve to curve it by the pound to give you the exact %...it'd be quite impressive...should effect the following attributes, imo...

Strength
Speed
Agility
Jumping

from 180 to 350 is a 170 lb swing for 30% or roughly 6 lb's for every 1%.