Warrior General Games

Lets assume you create your player on day 31. (This gets you max number of days to train and not level - 9)

Doing this it will take you exactly 4 full seasons to hit level 40.
Example: Created end of season 7, will hit 40 start of season 12.

Now here is the part I like, if you train intense from the START (meaning you can train normal for like 20 times, bank shoping tokens for when you are in your 30's) of your first full season, untill you hit 40 you will accumulate about 400 training points. (not even counting Bort's nice off/pre season free training.)

Thats 80 BT (400/5) over the course of your career from 1-40.

80 BT can be used for either a extra 20 sp (80/4) or 10 (80/8) equipment upgrades.
(only 6 upgrades can be done on a level 40 piece. The other 4 could be used on a new piece)

Lets say you roll a good +3 agl, +1 First Step piece. With 6 upgrdes you can make that piece +9 AGL, +4 FIRST STEP by the time you are level 40. That is > then 20 sp.

Originally posted by Meatdawg
Lets assume you create your player on day 31. (This gets you max number of days to train and not level - 9)

Doing this it will take you exactly 4 full seasons to hit level 40.
Example: Created end of season 7, will hit 40 start of season 12.

Now here is the part I like, if you train intense from the START (meaning you can train normal for like 20 times, bank shoping tokens for when you are in your 30's) of your first full season, untill you hit 40 you will accumulate about 400 training points. (not even counting Bort's nice off/pre season free training.)

Thats 80 BT (400/8) over the course of your career from 1-40.

80 BT can be used for either a extra 20 sp (80/5) or 10 (80/8) equipment upgrades.

Lets say you roll a good +3 agl, +1 First Step piece. With 10 upgrdes you can make that piece +13 AGL, +6 FIRST STEP by the time you are level 40. That is > then 20 sp.

i ve spent half a season shopping and end up with crap

Originally posted by jroyal73

i ve spent half a season shopping and end up with crap


You don't want to shop until you are higher level, and even if you get a 1 agl piece, thats still 11 agl vs a 6 agl piece at level 40.

In 20 shopping trips, I am sure you can find something to aid you on your way, and even if the best thing you got was +1 agl, you can still continue to shop for a great pice after 40, and just choose to upgrade that.

you can only upgrade a piece 6 times by level 40 or am i missing something?

Originally posted by UnderDogs
you can only upgrade a piece 6 times by level 40 or am i missing something?

Correct, you can not take a upgrade past 6 at level 40.

Originally posted by UnderDogs
you can only upgrade a piece 6 times by level 40 or am i missing something?

This is correct. A SINGLE AE can be upgraded 6 times when your player hits level 40

Of course you could conceivably have two good AEs, and then you would have 2 AEs upgraded level 32 with 80 tokens.

It is erroneous to consider upgrading an AE 10 times because to do that you would have to be level 72 or higher.

The trouble with your math meatdawg is that it leaves out endless shopping that often occurs. MY punter shopped 30 times before finally finding a big boot AE. And it was + agility.

Further, due to bonus tokens my kicker was able to cap kicking at level 8 instead of 9, and later confidence at 17 instead of 18. So, that's ultimately an additional point in kicking and confidence. And I still have time to spend weeks shopping for a good ae and upgrading it.

It all depends on position, build and situation. There's no hard and fast rule, IMO.

Created day 31 season 7.

9 days to train x2 = 18Tp

Full season 8 40x2 = 80Tp
Full season 9 40x2 = 80Tp
Full season 10 40x2 = 80Tp
Full season 11 40x2 = 80Tp

(Following assumes Bort continues to turn on training off season)
5x off season (assume they are 4 days long each) 5x4 = 20x2 = 40Tp

(Following assumes Bort continues to turn on training pre season)
5x pre season (assume they are 4 days long each) 5x4 = 20x2 = 40TP

I wont even count the 18 from creation assuming you want to train normal to cap something, and bank shopping tokens.

80x5 = 400TP

Originally posted by TheGreatPuma
Originally posted by UnderDogs

you can only upgrade a piece 6 times by level 40 or am i missing something?

This is correct. A SINGLE AE can be upgraded 6 times when your player hits level 40

Of course you could conceivably have two good AEs, and then you would have 2 AEs upgraded level 32 with 80 tokens.

It is erroneous to consider upgrading an AE 10 times because to do that you would have to be level 72 or higher.

The trouble with your math meatdawg is that it leaves out endless shopping that often occurs. MY punter shopped 30 times before finally finding a big boot AE. And it was + agility.

Further, due to bonus tokens my kicker was able to cap kicking at level 8 instead of 9, and later confidence at 17 instead of 18. So, that's ultimately an additional point in kicking and confidence. And I still have time to spend weeks shopping for a good ae and upgrading it.

It all depends on position, build and situation. There's no hard and fast rule, IMO.


You are 100% correct, I did not even factor in the level restrictions on upgrading a piece.

So the most you could upgrade is 6 by level 40, or + 3 to a SA and +6 to a Stat.

That would make an Ideal +1SA, +3stat
+4 SA, +9stat at level 40
+4 SA, +10stat at level 48
+5 SA, +11stat at level 56
+5 SA, +12stat at level 64

I do not think many will make it to 72,
Start of 5th season level 40 + 3 boost + 2 level gains = 45
Start of 6th season level 45 + 3 boost + 3 level gains = 51
Start of 7th season level 51 + 3 boost + 2 level gains = 56
Start of 8th season level 56 + 3 boost + 3 level gains = 62
Start of 9th season level 62 + 3 boost + 2 level gains = 67

That would make 2 peices very viable in the long run.

When training points were introduced, i was 100% on the side of use your BT to reach cap's early in your carreer. That was how I was able to get 81 natural str and agl on my DT by level 32, and how I will reach 78 natrual agl and speed on my DE before 30.

But looking at the whole carrer, I think it would be better to use all BT for equipment upgrades.

You could easly make a power rushing QB like this by level 40

74 str 74 (+34 from gear) 108
70 throw
69 speed
61 agl
50 vis
50 con
30 sta
30 carry

+4 power thru +9 str
+3 First Step +7 str

15 in brusier

with +18 from the rest of your equipment/custom

Originally posted by Meatdawg
You could easly make a power rushing QB like this by level 40

74 str 74 (+34 from gear) 108
70 throw
69 speed
61 agl
50 vis
50 con
30 sta
30 carry

+4 power thru +9 str
+3 First Step +7 str

15 in brusier

with +18 from the rest of your equipment/custom

But you're ignoring the average time it takes to get a specific perfect piece of AE. Factor that in and it throws the whole thing off.

Originally posted by TheGreatPuma
Originally posted by Meatdawg

You could easly make a power rushing QB like this by level 40

74 str 74 (+34 from gear) 108
70 throw
69 speed
61 agl
50 vis
50 con
30 sta
30 carry

+4 power thru +9 str
+3 First Step +7 str

15 in brusier

with +18 from the rest of your equipment/custom

But you're ignoring the average time it takes to get a specific perfect piece of AE. Factor that in and it throws the whole thing off.

Correct, as with all of my players, 1 has a piece that he kept, while the rest was junk.

However, if you have your target set to a wide choice of sa's, then you have a much better chance of getting a pice that hits your target.

Holding our for that 1 piece, will probably never happen.

Is there even an argument? Any player built today should immediately purchase AE and bank. Use BT cash-ins for SP only if it will help you make a cap substantially sooner, and you need that final SP to get to 49.0 or 60.40 or something. Save up until level 32 equipment comes around, and upgrading that AE is too expensive to do twice, and do some normal. By now, you should have a stat in the dust anyway so normal is a fine option. Find your first good piece, and insta-upgrade it a ton.

At level 40, I'd fill up that last piece, and then look for a new piece, unless your team can afford to keep going. But to get that last +1 SA, you need to upgrade at 48 and 56 - getting to these levels will take WAY longer than getting the BT themselves, so I'd just go find a new piece and take it up to level 40 also.

Two level 40 AE would give +8 SA. Conceivably, you could have that as an OOP SA (crazy good value) or on the last one (line gen, big boot, one handed catch, whatever floats your boat), and then only spend 2 in the stat. So you're getting from 3-10 for free, which costs 3+4+5+6 * 2 = 36 SP, plus not having to pump the second to last up at all either, etc.

AE is ridiculously valuable, and the best time to start is EARLY. The advantage of starting early with it is immense. If you try to start a level 40, you'll barely be able to get a piece upgraded fast enough to pass standard equip - but new players should be doing only AE

Probably the only argument against going along the AE route would be that for certain positions it takes longer to get suitable AE, and seasons of shopping waste bonus tokens. It'd have to be well over 1, even 2 seasons of shopping though before it started to come into the equation, although I am too lazy to back this comment up with maths.

So, the number of AE pieces you should ultimately aim to have (0, 1, 2, 3) could be position-specific.

However, for a position where it is reasonably easy* to find suitable AE that helps boost stats in the 5:1, 6:1 range (such as C, G, DT), the only question left to me is whether it is better to focus on ultimately having 2 or 3 pieces.

My hunch at the moment is 2.



*Let's say on average less than 20 days per piece.

Two pieces does work for a new player. Take my lvl 25 DE for example. I've only trained on intense since I created him except for maybe 10 times when I've gone shopping. The first piece of AE I bought for him was +2% make tackle chance, +2% break block chance. It has now been fully upgraded to +2 speed, +2 agility, +10% make tackle chance, +10% break block chance. His second piece of AE I bought after fully upgrading the first piece. The current piece I am using is base +2 agility, +1 big sack. I upgraded it once to be +3 agility, +1 big sack. He won't reach level 32 until sometime into next season, at which point I will have plenty of bts to upgrade piece one and possibly enough to upgrade piece 2 a second time.