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Originally posted by glbisthewaytobe
What exactly in that article relating to the bnd isn't accurate. Please tell me.


Originally posted by Larry Roadgrader
...and if you re-read the article with your OWN income-and-expenses in mind and then substituted it for the ND bank's income-and-expenses you would see that there are GAPING holes in this articles portrayal of how "banking" works.



Let's start here from the article:

Each time we pay our state and local taxes -- and all manner of fees -- the state deposits those revenues in a bank. If you're in any state but North Dakota, nearly all of these deposits end up in Wall Street's too-big to-fail banks, because those banks are the only entities large enough to handle the load. The vast majority of the nation's 7,000 community banks are too small to provide the array of cash management services that state and local governments require. We're talking big bucks; at least $1 trillion of our local tax dollars find their way to Wall Street banks, according to Marc Armstrong, executive director of the Public Banking Institute.

So, not only are we, as taxpayers, on the hook for too-big-to-fail Wall Street banks, but we also end up giving our tax dollars to these same banks each and every time we pay a sales tax or property tax or buy a fishing license. In North Dakota, however, all that public revenue runs through its public state bank, which in turn reinvests in the state's small businesses and public infrastructure via partnerships with 80 small community banks.


Now, I'm going to assume that most forum members here each make "thousands" of dollars in deposits into their bank each month. Can we THEN claim that we each have "thousands" of dollars to invest each month from those deposits? Or haven't most of us already *ear-marked* where most of that money will then have to go to cover various costs and expenses of living that month?

Are we now supposed to magically believe its somehow different for the state of North Dakota? All of those deposits DO NOT magically end up in the citizens of North Dakota's hands because the huge bulk of the deposits will not be sitting there long at all--that money has other places it has to go. The deposit is an accounting entry and the other side of the ledger shows a tremendous outflow as the money flies out as fast as it came in--NOT to magically sprinkle money dust on North Dakota citizens but to PAY THE STATE'S BILLS.


The rest of that article is just as fanciful in its telling. Its a cute story, but its largely mythical. If running a bank was easy, everyone would do it.
 
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Originally posted by Longneck1845
if it wasn't structured like that insurance companies couldn't operate, and there would be no insurance.


You actually can have insurance with that structure, but you enter an adverse selection death spiral and premiums sky rocket until the insurance company is just pricing assuming everyone is in terrible health because they probably are at that point.

You punish your best risk pool, like the ACA does, and they don't participate. Then rates rise for the rest, and suddenly your second best risk pool is getting raped, so they leave. Rinse repeat and you are only left with your worst risk pool paying a fair and very high rate. Pile on the fact that the ACA does not punish preexistings, and people are enabled to only opt in when they become really ill and you are basically begging people to opt out until they get a serious chronic illness since they can just sign right up as soon as that happens, give or take a few months waiting for an enrollment period.

It's why the ACA could never, ever work, and why you could tell that right away, and why you don't need years to judge it. It is designed to fail, whether intentional or not.
 
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Now that we are on the topic of pensions.....lets take a look at the words biggest pension the Social Security Trust fund.

A pension fund that has been used and abused across party lines.

You see old private sector pensions plans were highly regulated to make sure the custodians of the pensions were not making risky investments with the funds. There were certain investments deemed investment grade and could be used to make returns for growth inside pension fund. Most of these investments are in US treasuries considered some of the safest investments in the world.

Well our politicians on both sides of the isle figured out that hey we can invest the US citizens Social Security Trust fund into our own Government in the form of treasuries and then do what ever we want with the money from there.......

Well after we removed the gold standard from the dollar (Nixon REP), Opened up trade with communist slave labor CHina (Clinton DEM and speaker Gingrich REP) and now the possibility of a massive debt shortfall from health care costs (Obama DEM).......How safe are those US treasuries???

However if those same practices were committed by a fiduciary of a private company, that person would be thrown in jail and all the politicians in DC would be outraged at the irresponsibility and greed of this "evil" corporation. That took these peoples money and did what ever they wished......Hypocrisy at its best, as Washington has done much worse with the US social Security trust fund.

Wake up already the more time you guys spend fighting to defend your side, the more time they are buying themselves to fleece you.

Who is John Galt?!!?.......once you understand who John Galt is, the sooner you can begin to change your own world and break free of our societal bonds and prosper within the universes true divinity.
 
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Originally posted by glbisthewaytobe
Uhm, I used that bank when I lived there. At the branch right off 13th ave. That is pretty much exactly how it operates. Sorry bro, but there isn't any misinformation in that article about how it operates.


I'm not trying to be a dick, but being a customer doesn't tell you squat about how a bank operates.
 
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Originally posted by Longneck1845
Who is John Galt?!!?.......once you understand who John Galt is, the sooner you can begin to change your own world and break free of our societal bonds and prosper within the universes true divinity.


oh for fuck's sake

not another one
 
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It kinda came out of left field too...
 
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Originally posted by Catullus16
oh for fuck's sake

not another one


Originally posted by Cuivienen
It kinda came out of left field too...



Damn.
 
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Originally posted by Larry Roadgrader

Let's start here from the article:

Each time we pay our state and local taxes -- and all manner of fees -- the state deposits those revenues in a bank. If you're in any state but North Dakota, nearly all of these deposits end up in Wall Street's too-big to-fail banks, because those banks are the only entities large enough to handle the load. The vast majority of the nation's 7,000 community banks are too small to provide the array of cash management services that state and local governments require. We're talking big bucks; at least $1 trillion of our local tax dollars find their way to Wall Street banks, according to Marc Armstrong, executive director of the Public Banking Institute.

So, not only are we, as taxpayers, on the hook for too-big-to-fail Wall Street banks, but we also end up giving our tax dollars to these same banks each and every time we pay a sales tax or property tax or buy a fishing license. In North Dakota, however, all that public revenue runs through its public state bank, which in turn reinvests in the state's small businesses and public infrastructure via partnerships with 80 small community banks.


Now, I'm going to assume that most forum members here each make "thousands" of dollars in deposits into their bank each month. Can we THEN claim that we each have "thousands" of dollars to invest each month from those deposits? Or haven't most of us already *ear-marked* where most of that money will then have to go to cover various costs and expenses of living that month?

Are we now supposed to magically believe its somehow different for the state of North Dakota? All of those deposits DO NOT magically end up in the citizens of North Dakota's hands because the huge bulk of the deposits will not be sitting there long at all--that money has other places it has to go. The deposit is an accounting entry and the other side of the ledger shows a tremendous outflow as the money flies out as fast as it came in--NOT to magically sprinkle money dust on North Dakota citizens but to PAY THE STATE'S BILLS.


The rest of that article is just as fanciful in its telling. Its a cute story, but its largely mythical. If running a bank was easy, everyone would do it.


Uhm again you are wrong. The tax money does get deposited into bnd. And they do invest money back into the community. The more you post the more it seems like you just don't like the idea of a state run bank regardless of the fact that it works well.
 
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Originally posted by Cuivienen
I'm not trying to be a dick, but being a customer doesn't tell you squat about how a bank operates.


Not trying to be a dick, but the bank does that. They're pretty proud of who they are. The ads are all over tv there. And the brochures and handouts they give you detailing every public good they offer when you become a member also detail that stuff. The below market loans, what they do with tax money, etc, etc. That place was right up my alley. It's why I chose them. They give residency benefits like when you have a savings account with interest they up your interest earned for each year your a resident. All kinds of cash back bonuses for being a resident and buying nodal made goods.

I get that you guys don't want to believe that it is as advertised but you're wrong and will just have to accept it.
 
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Nodak made goods.
 
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Originally posted by glbisthewaytobe
Uhm again you are wrong. The tax money does get deposited into bnd. And they do invest money back into the community. The more you post the more it seems like you just don't like the idea of a state run bank regardless of the fact that it works well.


Did you even read what I wrote? YOU AND I get "deposits" (in the form of paychecks) totalling "thousands" each month. BUT, we do NOT in-turn get to INVEST "thousands" each month *because that money has other places to be once it lands in our hands*. The money doesn't sit still long enough to "enrich" North Dakota in the manner described in that article.

 
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Originally posted by Catullus16
oh for fuck's sake

not another one


I don't understand? Do you not believe that thoughts manifest actions?

If your thought can be controlled, in turn your actions will be too.

The more we point fingers at each other and fight each other, the more we are being guided on a destiny not of our own creation.

Have you never explored the Law of attraction? Not this sudo-new age wish your life to success....Im talking about old school "Think and Grow Rich" Law of attraction. Napoleon Hill studied for years under the legendary Andrew Carnegie, and wrote a book based off his principles for success.

There are countless examples throughout mankind existence where one person, changed everything and there was a thought that stimulated the action within the person who inspired the change.

Someone will read this and ask themselves what is this book "think and grow rich"....Some might even go and buy it and read it, others may study it and embrace it.

I personally read it every 5 years.....and I couldn't be more "thankful".

 
Catullus16
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Originally posted by Longneck1845
I don't understand? Do you not believe that thoughts manifest actions?


wow, what a leap.

someone call guinness.
 
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Originally posted by Catullus16
wow, what a leap.

someone call guinness.


Some claim drugs and alcohol can help facilitate a connection to the "collective consciousness". I can't totally dismiss it either, but with training and the right thoughts you can connect without the use of drugs.

Don't think that day dreaming drug users that loaf around all day and wish for a better life get it.....it requires work and dedication to fulfill even your most grandiose thoughts and visions.

Have you read Think and Grow Rich? Are you astute to the principle of autosuggestion?

 
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^i'm getting some insight into why you think your leaps aren't leaps.
 
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