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Originally posted by Gart888
also, without reading back very far (because, lol) do we actually have an AIDS denier in here? :|

just turn your computer off

Originally posted by Gnosis
just turn your computer off

omg, you're an AIDS denier aren't you.

alt: AIDS was created by the jews.

Originally posted by wormser1971
It was just a way to show that all sides of every argument have an agenda. If we take that into account, then there are no credible sources for information. Thus, we have to do our own research. Doing that often requires using sources you way have to be skeptical about.

wut

Originally posted by Gart888
wut

Seth and others would not trust a site because of an agenda. Even though almost every source in the world has an agenda. At least these are not opinion pieces, they are scientific studies. They tend to be more credible

Originally posted by Gart888
Originally posted by wormser1971

http://ctya.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/checkmated2.jpg



Really... you missed all of the things about the collapse calculations and you have that to post? You do realize that every other poster in this thread has now decided to no longer try to support the NIST failed mathematics, and instead are going after personal attacks and attacks on sources. I guess they are making stuff up, too.

Originally posted by wormser1971
Really... you missed all of the things about the collapse calculations and you have that to post? You do realize that every other poster in this thread has now decided to no longer try to support the NIST failed mathematics, and instead are going after personal attacks and attacks on sources. I guess they are making stuff up, too.

its what always happens

Originally posted by baum

http://911-engineers.blogspot.com/2007/04/how-world-trade-center-fell.html
I figured I would give you another chance and I clicked on another one of your sources. It only took a few seconds to find this gem in there!

Originally posted by article


The protective concrete cladding on the cores would have been no permanent defence in these extraordinary circumstances - keeping the intense heat at bay for only a limited timespan.


Nothing is designed or will be designed to withstand that fire

World Trade Center construction manager
"It was the fire that killed the buildings. There's nothing on earth that could survive those temperatures with that amount of fuel burning," said structural engineer Chris Wise.

"The columns would have melted, the floors would have melted and eventually they would have collapsed one on top of each other."

This is who you are trusting to give you truth about the biggest event in your lifetime?

Originally posted by wormser1971
Seth and others would not trust a site because of an agenda. Even though almost every source in the world has an agenda. At least these are not opinion pieces, they are scientific studies. They tend to be more credible

one last thing, then I really am out of here, it not JUST that they have an agenda. It's that they have an agenda and a peer review process that is not transparent. just because it is a scientific study does not mean that it would stand up under scrutiny by their 'actual' peers (as opposed to lawyers and an expert in buddhism)

OK Baum. I checked this one from your list.

http://www.911myths.com/Another_Expert.pdf

It's a 13 page op-ed about flying a 767 and how easy it is. Nothing relevant here, dude.

Originally posted by seths99
one last thing, then I really am out of here, it not JUST that they have an agenda. It's that they have an agenda and a peer review process that is not transparent. just because it is a scientific study does not mean that it would stand up under scrutiny by their 'actual' peers (as opposed to lawyers and an expert in buddhism)

I've reviewed the debunking sources, official sources and truther sources. They all lead to my conclusion. 9-11 did not happen the way you want to believe it did. There is no physical way the towers could have collapsed in that manner assisted by fire and gravity alone.

Baum... I am checking them all for you. You obviously checked none of them.

read the title of this one and then tell me it's relevance to the events of 9/11.... It is exactly what it looks like. 11 pages of "There are no missile defenses at the pentagon".
http://jod911.com/There_Are_No_Missile_Defenses_at_the_Pentagon.pdf

Originally posted by wormser1971
Really... you missed all of the things about the collapse calculations and you have that to post? You do realize that every other poster in this thread has now decided to no longer try to support the NIST failed mathematics, and instead are going after personal attacks and attacks on sources. I guess they are making stuff up, too.

Gart and I are probably the only two in this thread that could actually run those calculations.

And I guarantee NIST never said it was a simple statics problem. You said that.

I'm going to continue to laugh at your energy shpeel because your grasp of mechanical physics is laughable. Your an EE supposedly... stick to making chips and fucking with circuits. I have an engineering degree but I don't even pretend to be able to comprehend the level of education, analysis and design it takes to make a processor. So please, don't throw your degree around and imply you even took more than one course in anything related to structural engineering. It's borderline insulting to those of us in our profession. You're not competent enough to throw your opinion out there and have it taken seriously.

Originally posted by Gnosis
You don't ask solid questions, you ask nonsensical questions.


Just because you aren't able to answer them in a logical manner doesn't make them nonsensical. You keep describing these scenarios that are way over thought and would involve way too many people. I countered with a question about why wouldn't they go ahead with the much easier scenario. The thing is with most CT's, including yours, the more complicated they are the more you can constantly change them around to try to avoid falsehoods being pointed out. At first you claim there were no windows in the planes. When investigators found panels with windows you simply said they were planted. When it was found that those parts were traced back to the actual AA flight through serial numbers you said those too were planted. Basically you are taking the Johnny Cochran defense. Pretty much anyone can play that game.