My team is woefully thin on quality OTs and am co cerned about our QBs getting killed this season and our run game suffering too. We have good C and Gs as well as good FB and TEs. Anybody have any constructive ideas for altering the AI, roster positions and play calling to compensate for this?
Centers can fill in at Guards... while Guards can help out at OT. Blocking TE's can even help at OT... but only as breathers for the better guys. As for the running game, pound it between the guards when you run... or pitch plays to get it outside.
Try some screen passes too as well as keeping the patterns short (going long is not recommended).
Try some screen passes too as well as keeping the patterns short (going long is not recommended).
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Originally posted by Theo Wizzago
Centers can fill in at Guards... while Guards can help out at OT. Blocking TE's can even help at OT... but only as breathers for the better guys. As for the running game, pound it between the guards when you run... or pitch plays to get it outside. Try some screen passes too as well as keeping the patterns short (going long is not recommended).
No, all of this is awful advice.
OP, just use the OTs you have and make sure they aren't playing at all on special teams. The out of position penalty will probably be larger than the penalty from diminished energy.
Centers can fill in at Guards... while Guards can help out at OT. Blocking TE's can even help at OT... but only as breathers for the better guys. As for the running game, pound it between the guards when you run... or pitch plays to get it outside. Try some screen passes too as well as keeping the patterns short (going long is not recommended).
No, all of this is awful advice.
OP, just use the OTs you have and make sure they aren't playing at all on special teams. The out of position penalty will probably be larger than the penalty from diminished energy.
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You can just run with three OTs. Bolick is right though make sure you keep atleast two of them off special teams.
but I have used Centers to back up gaurds before and Gaurds to back up OT and it worked out just fine. The again it was some 15 seasons ago or more.
but I have used Centers to back up gaurds before and Gaurds to back up OT and it worked out just fine. The again it was some 15 seasons ago or more.
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Originally posted by Padre97
You can just run with three OTs. Bolick is right though make sure you keep atleast two of them off special teams.
but I have used Centers to back up gaurds before and Gaurds to back up OT and it worked out just fine. The again it was some 15 seasons ago or more.
Originally posted by jdbolick
The out of position penalty will probably be larger than the penalty from diminished energy.
You can just run with three OTs. Bolick is right though make sure you keep atleast two of them off special teams.
but I have used Centers to back up gaurds before and Gaurds to back up OT and it worked out just fine. The again it was some 15 seasons ago or more.
Originally posted by jdbolick
The out of position penalty will probably be larger than the penalty from diminished energy.
Originally posted by Padre97
You can just run with three OTs. Bolick is right though make sure you keep atleast two of them off special teams.
but I have used Centers to back up gaurds before and Gaurds to back up OT and it worked out just fine. The again it was some 15 seasons ago or more.
Yes. No ST's for depleted positions. Bad juju. And JD is usually right... but I never said it was a permanent solution... just a decent solution to a bad problem. Any OOP player should be put in as backups ONLY... and you'd wanna tweak the stamina settings for that position so that your starters play much more than your backups. Also, pay attention to the archetypes of the backup players... you can use them for very specific purposes (like using a blocking TE for the OT ONLY in plays where you are running AWAY from that side of the formation).
Originally posted by yello1
Use Guards at OT.
Shotgun and short passes to avoid sacks?
And I wouldn't want backups playing on passing situations at all. Your QB needs the best protection you can get and the backups will not supply that.
You can just run with three OTs. Bolick is right though make sure you keep atleast two of them off special teams.
but I have used Centers to back up gaurds before and Gaurds to back up OT and it worked out just fine. The again it was some 15 seasons ago or more.
Yes. No ST's for depleted positions. Bad juju. And JD is usually right... but I never said it was a permanent solution... just a decent solution to a bad problem. Any OOP player should be put in as backups ONLY... and you'd wanna tweak the stamina settings for that position so that your starters play much more than your backups. Also, pay attention to the archetypes of the backup players... you can use them for very specific purposes (like using a blocking TE for the OT ONLY in plays where you are running AWAY from that side of the formation).
Originally posted by yello1
Use Guards at OT.
Shotgun and short passes to avoid sacks?
And I wouldn't want backups playing on passing situations at all. Your QB needs the best protection you can get and the backups will not supply that.
Edited by Theo Wizzago on Jan 30, 2013 23:48:00
Edited by Theo Wizzago on Jan 30, 2013 23:46:52
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Theo, I appreciate that you want to help people and take time to answer questions, but I often find myself correcting absolutely horrible advice that you give out to people. Suggesting that anyone ever use a blocking TE at OT is indefensible, and again, it's also better to use actual OTs with low energy than putting guards at OT.
Originally posted by jdbolick
Theo, I appreciate that you want to help people and take time to answer questions, but I often find myself correcting absolutely horrible advice that you give out to people. Suggesting that anyone ever use a blocking TE at OT is indefensible, and again, it's also better to use actual OTs with low energy than putting guards at OT.
Didn't sound like he had any OTs at all.
Or maybe I was projecting. As I typed that my casual team only had one OT.
Happily have signed four now...
Theo, I appreciate that you want to help people and take time to answer questions, but I often find myself correcting absolutely horrible advice that you give out to people. Suggesting that anyone ever use a blocking TE at OT is indefensible, and again, it's also better to use actual OTs with low energy than putting guards at OT.
Didn't sound like he had any OTs at all.
Or maybe I was projecting. As I typed that my casual team only had one OT.
Happily have signed four now...
Originally posted by Theo Wizzago
Also, pay attention to the archetypes of the backup players... you can use them for very specific purposes (like using a blocking TE for the OT ONLY in plays where you are running AWAY from that side of the formation).
And I wouldn't want backups playing on passing situations at all. Your QB needs the best protection you can get and the backups will not supply that.
Questions...
How do you ensure you run away from the backup?
How do you suggest someone not use their backup on pass plays?
In a perfect world, those would be great suggestions. Of course if you could force those types of situations then the D would be able to counter/react and slide the D to the "starter" or defend pass (perhaps blitzing from the side of the "backup".
Also, pay attention to the archetypes of the backup players... you can use them for very specific purposes (like using a blocking TE for the OT ONLY in plays where you are running AWAY from that side of the formation).
And I wouldn't want backups playing on passing situations at all. Your QB needs the best protection you can get and the backups will not supply that.
Questions...
How do you ensure you run away from the backup?
How do you suggest someone not use their backup on pass plays?
In a perfect world, those would be great suggestions. Of course if you could force those types of situations then the D would be able to counter/react and slide the D to the "starter" or defend pass (perhaps blitzing from the side of the "backup".
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Originally posted by jdbolick
No, all of this is awful advice.
OP, just use the OTs you have and make sure they aren't playing at all on special teams. The out of position penalty will probably be larger than the penalty from diminished energy.
jdbolick, I don't know where you got your info, but Bort has publcally stated there is little if no penalty at the OL and DL positions. Your viewpoint may be based on the fact that Gs and OTs are most often BUILT differently and LOTs especially have access to the Protect SA, which will only work for players PLAYING at the LOT position.
From Borts public announcements, without going into number detail, from least to worst penalty (coded)
Offense
OL- Cs. Gs, Ts. Little or no penalty
RBs - HB-FB Roughly 5%
HB-WR Roughly 5%
FB-TE Roughly 5%
WR-TE Roughly 5-10%
QB-HB Roughly 50%
Defense
DL - DEs, DTs Little or no penalty
LB-DE Roughly 5%
LB-DT Unknown
CB-FS Roughy 5%
SS-LB Roughly 10%
CB-WR Roughly 5-10%
This is what I have gleaned from chats, FAQs, posts by Bort, and GLB Wiki.
Keep in mind, there is a lot of old, bad info floating around, mostly spread by Alpha testers in the games early days, when Bort was very closed mouth about the sim and the testers wanted to increase their already significant advantage.
So, if necessary, Cs, and Gs can cover for each other in the middle. There won't be a noticeable difference if built correctly. OTs, well, theres the rub. TEs can do it in a pinch, and if you use one, make sure they are strong in the blocking, strength and agility categories. Vision will play an important part as well. If you are having trouble with depth, have your OTs play on Normal energy (-10%, so we've been told) and have TEs help on those sides. TEs and FBs are very useful to have in quantity, especially FBs. They can play 3 positions well as well as contribute on ST.
No, all of this is awful advice.
OP, just use the OTs you have and make sure they aren't playing at all on special teams. The out of position penalty will probably be larger than the penalty from diminished energy.
jdbolick, I don't know where you got your info, but Bort has publcally stated there is little if no penalty at the OL and DL positions. Your viewpoint may be based on the fact that Gs and OTs are most often BUILT differently and LOTs especially have access to the Protect SA, which will only work for players PLAYING at the LOT position.
From Borts public announcements, without going into number detail, from least to worst penalty (coded)
Offense
OL- Cs. Gs, Ts. Little or no penalty
RBs - HB-FB Roughly 5%
HB-WR Roughly 5%
FB-TE Roughly 5%
WR-TE Roughly 5-10%
QB-HB Roughly 50%
Defense
DL - DEs, DTs Little or no penalty
LB-DE Roughly 5%
LB-DT Unknown
CB-FS Roughy 5%
SS-LB Roughly 10%
CB-WR Roughly 5-10%
This is what I have gleaned from chats, FAQs, posts by Bort, and GLB Wiki.
Keep in mind, there is a lot of old, bad info floating around, mostly spread by Alpha testers in the games early days, when Bort was very closed mouth about the sim and the testers wanted to increase their already significant advantage.
So, if necessary, Cs, and Gs can cover for each other in the middle. There won't be a noticeable difference if built correctly. OTs, well, theres the rub. TEs can do it in a pinch, and if you use one, make sure they are strong in the blocking, strength and agility categories. Vision will play an important part as well. If you are having trouble with depth, have your OTs play on Normal energy (-10%, so we've been told) and have TEs help on those sides. TEs and FBs are very useful to have in quantity, especially FBs. They can play 3 positions well as well as contribute on ST.
Edited by Donner on Feb 1, 2013 01:06:33
Edited by Donner on Feb 1, 2013 01:01:41
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Originally posted by AirMcMVP
Questions...
How do you ensure you run away from the backup?
How do you suggest someone not use their backup on pass plays?
In a perfect world, those would be great suggestions. Of course if you could force those types of situations then the D would be able to counter/react and slide the D to the "starter" or defend pass (perhaps blitzing from the side of the "backup".
Its likely you will be throwing on 3rd down, andif your not, you will ikely run up the middle, so go into your tactics and force starters on 3rd down. Thats about the only down you have control.
Questions...
How do you ensure you run away from the backup?
How do you suggest someone not use their backup on pass plays?
In a perfect world, those would be great suggestions. Of course if you could force those types of situations then the D would be able to counter/react and slide the D to the "starter" or defend pass (perhaps blitzing from the side of the "backup".
Its likely you will be throwing on 3rd down, andif your not, you will ikely run up the middle, so go into your tactics and force starters on 3rd down. Thats about the only down you have control.
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Originally posted by jdbolick
He has three.
If he has three well built OTs, he should be able to rotate. If two are pass blocking OTs, use a runblocking TE to help on the right side, and think about playing the single ROT on normal (-10%). If two are ROTs, throw on first down, run away from the left side on second and force starters on 3rd so your LOT is blocking on that down. You could game plan to only run away from your LOT on fist down, making sure the QB can get it off quick. Also throw to the side where protection breaks down. There are not a lot of batted balls in GLB and that side will be one defender short, with a OT free to block.
Then on third, your LOT should be fresh. Force starters and eiher throw for yardage or run up the middle or to the rightoZink I may have had t side o depending on yardage.
Wish I'd seen is earlier today, I had 4 OTS that needed jobs.
Also, look at CPU teams, and browse the FA list (not marketplace).I think I may have had to place 1 ad in 33 seasons. I usually get between 3-5 offers for each of my FAs.
He has three.
If he has three well built OTs, he should be able to rotate. If two are pass blocking OTs, use a runblocking TE to help on the right side, and think about playing the single ROT on normal (-10%). If two are ROTs, throw on first down, run away from the left side on second and force starters on 3rd so your LOT is blocking on that down. You could game plan to only run away from your LOT on fist down, making sure the QB can get it off quick. Also throw to the side where protection breaks down. There are not a lot of batted balls in GLB and that side will be one defender short, with a OT free to block.
Then on third, your LOT should be fresh. Force starters and eiher throw for yardage or run up the middle or to the rightoZink I may have had t side o depending on yardage.
Wish I'd seen is earlier today, I had 4 OTS that needed jobs.
Also, look at CPU teams, and browse the FA list (not marketplace).I think I may have had to place 1 ad in 33 seasons. I usually get between 3-5 offers for each of my FAs.
Originally posted by Donner
Its likely you will be throwing on 3rd down, andif your not, you will ikely run up the middle, so go into your tactics and force starters on 3rd down. Thats about the only down you have control.
Rhetorical questions were rhetorical...
Yes, forcing starters on 3rd down is the only way to have control meaning there's no way to ensure your "backup" is in for all pass plays (unless you only pass on 3rd down) or that you always run to the side opposite of the "backup".
Its likely you will be throwing on 3rd down, andif your not, you will ikely run up the middle, so go into your tactics and force starters on 3rd down. Thats about the only down you have control.
Rhetorical questions were rhetorical...
Yes, forcing starters on 3rd down is the only way to have control meaning there's no way to ensure your "backup" is in for all pass plays (unless you only pass on 3rd down) or that you always run to the side opposite of the "backup".
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