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Originally posted by Novus
I asked for an example of a CPU team beating a decent human team in ELITE.

Why does it make a difference?

Originally posted by superpunk
Originally posted by Novus

I asked for an example of a CPU team beating a decent human team in ELITE.

Why does it make a difference?

Elite is where 95% of the decent human teams are.

Competitive is composed of teams that demoted down from Elite by missing the playoffs, plus teams that promoted up from Normal by making the playoffs... except that making the playoffs in Normal doesn't mean much, because Normal is terribad. You'll occasionally have some decent human teams in Competitive (like, say the team that was #9 in Elite last season due to a points-allowed tie-breaker or something), but for the most part, if a team is in Competitive, odds are they're not a good team. If they really were good, they'd be in Elite.

Normal is composed of teams that demoted down from Competitive by missing the playoffs (and think about how bad a team must be to miss the playoffs in COMPETITIVE), plus teams who missed the playoffs in Normal (and think about how AWFUL a team must be to miss the playoffs in NORMAL). There are no good teams in Normal. Period. If they were any good at all, they'd at least be in Competitive, more likely in Elite.

Again: THERE ARE NO GOOD TEAMS IN NORMAL. PERIOD.

If CPUs were as overpowered as people say they are, they'd be knocking off teams in Elite every now and then just from sheer dumb luck. So, why doesn't it happen? Why can't anyone find me one example of a CPU team beating a human team in Elite?

Previously undefeated team. 960 eff value vs 689.28. 56/62 (53 human dots) vs 42/41 (5 human dots, 48 CPUs)

This doesn't really fall under the category of CPU dots adjusting up to the actual level (56) and whooping ass on really badly built dots. They average out to +6 eff levels ... Something definitely funny with this, and it's been going on for a few seasons.

Before you flame, *I AGREE CPUs are in general too weak*. But that doesn't mean there couldn't be a bug occasionally with their "adjusting" to the competition. It really could use some testing to see WTF is going on.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2183060&pbp_id=5202643
Speed scout the CPU WR. He's traveling at ~34+ on the script. He loses almost NO speed on that cut.

Load up any of their other games, he's waaaay slower and losing a lot more speed on his cuts.

So to be honest, it does look kinda buggy to me. I'm not saying CPUs are too strong by any means. They're too weak in 99% of games. But occasionally they apparently get PEP TALKED.

Also, I have no affiliation with this team whatsoever, b4yourbutthurttheteamlost.

A full level 55+ team with no AEQ's against a CPU team. I could see why this would be a shocker.

Originally posted by yendorii
I remember when people wouldn't quit bitching about CPU's being awful. This community is absurd.

this. On another note, I really thought that the idea was to get zero CPU teams at the highest levels as well......... GG GLB. I guess Catch could have taken the team over and filled it with hand-selected inactive players instead. Cuz that worked.......

http://goallineblitz.com/game/team.pl?team_id=3057

Originally posted by We_Rule
this. On another note, I really thought that the idea was to get zero CPU teams at the highest levels as well......... GG GLB. I guess Catch could have taken the team over and filled it with hand-selected inactive players instead. Cuz that worked.......

http://goallineblitz.com/game/team.pl?team_id=3057

its not a CPU owned team.

Originally posted by Gambler75
Previously undefeated team.

Previously undefeated team IN A TERRIBAD LEAGUE. Remember, this "previously undefeated team" is in Normal for a reason: because they couldn't even make the playoffs in COMPETITIVE.

If I'm a 4'6" dwarf playing one-on-one basketball against a bunch of 4'0" dwarfs, I'm probably going to be undefeated too. That doesn't mean I'm any good at basketball.

Also, probably important to point out the human dots are going to have (on average) far less stamina and SAs than the loaded CPU dots. The age range they are at is probably going to be where CPU teams are best.

There was a DS farm team that lost to cpu last season. I know they had zero cares and likely not all aeq/va's applied, but people that say this is only happening to terrible teams need to grow up.

Originally posted by Golan
There was a DS farm team that lost tl cpu last season. I know they had zero cares and likely not all aeq/va's apply, but people that say this is only happening to terrible teams need to grow up.

What league was that DS farm team in?

If they had zero cares, I'm gonna guess they were probably in Normal or Competitive, not Elite, and thus aren't really that good of a team at all.

Also, can you link to the game?

Originally posted by Novus
Perspective: this game happened in National Minor League #3. Not Elite, not even Competitive.

Remember, this human team was so bad at some point that they demoted down from COMPETITIVE. Being undefeated in a league like this means nothing. Nothing.

Find me an ELITE league somewhere where a CPU team beat a decent human team. I've been asking this question for as long as people have been calling CPUs "overpowered," and nobody's found a single example for me yet.

Originally posted by Hagalaz
A good example of what ? A team not in elite, not in competitive, but in normal?

I think it is about time. Crappy players should be getting destroyed by CPUs.
If you guys can't be bothered to click on the link and notice that the human team was undefeated, and then take a look at the people running the team to notice that they're some of the top WL agents in the game, then you need to read a bit more first.

Originally posted by Novus
Elite is where 95% of the decent human teams are.

Competitive is composed of teams that demoted down from Elite by missing the playoffs, plus teams that promoted up from Normal by making the playoffs... except that making the playoffs in Normal doesn't mean much, because Normal is terribad. You'll occasionally have some decent human teams in Competitive (like, say the team that was #9 in Elite last season due to a points-allowed tie-breaker or something), but for the most part, if a team is in Competitive, odds are they're not a good team. If they really were good, they'd be in Elite.

Normal is composed of teams that demoted down from Competitive by missing the playoffs (and think about how bad a team must be to miss the playoffs in COMPETITIVE), plus teams who missed the playoffs in Normal (and think about how AWFUL a team must be to miss the playoffs in NORMAL). There are no good teams in Normal. Period. If they were any good at all, they'd at least be in Competitive, more likely in Elite.

Again: THERE ARE NO GOOD TEAMS IN NORMAL. PERIOD.

If CPUs were as overpowered as people say they are, they'd be knocking off teams in Elite every now and then just from sheer dumb luck. So, why doesn't it happen? Why can't anyone find me one example of a CPU team beating a human team in Elite?

Are there any CPU teams in elite?

Your position seems to be mildly retarded. Are CPUs designed to compete at an Elite level, rather than just kind of an ok level for the league they're in? If not wtf is your point?

Alternatively just what bolick said.

Originally posted by Gambler75
Previously undefeated team. 960 eff value vs 689.28. 56/62 (53 human dots) vs 42/41 (5 human dots, 48 CPUs)

This doesn't really fall under the category of CPU dots adjusting up to the actual level (56) and whooping ass on really badly built dots. They average out to +6 eff levels ... Something definitely funny with this, and it's been going on for a few seasons.

Before you flame, *I AGREE CPUs are in general too weak*. But that doesn't mean there couldn't be a bug occasionally with their "adjusting" to the competition. It really could use some testing to see WTF is going on.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2183060&pbp_id=5202643
Speed scout the CPU WR. He's traveling at ~34+ on the script. He loses almost NO speed on that cut.

Load up any of their other games, he's waaaay slower and losing a lot more speed on his cuts.

So to be honest, it does look kinda buggy to me. I'm not saying CPUs are too strong by any means. They're too weak in 99% of games. But occasionally they apparently get PEP TALKED.

Also, I have no affiliation with this team whatsoever, b4yourbutthurttheteamlost.

damn i forgot about pep talks good point.

Originally posted by superpunk
Are there any CPU teams in elite?

Yes there are... usually teams that get sold mid-season. The human players release themselves, and the roster gets auto-filled with CPU dots.

Doesn't happen very often, but it does happen.