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Catch--- this is the crap that needs fixed.

The SS has 100 vision and immediately runs to his zone. The TE is a blocking TE and a Blocking FB. He should not just run straight back to a zone. http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2119397&pbp_id=1214654

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2119397&pbp_id=1218260

Safeties in deep zone in endzone playing out of endzone or right along the back line.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2148791&pbp_id=1253450 Private game!

FS in deep zone weak half. Never even attempts to go to the receiver in his zone until the ball is thrown.
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2148791&pbp_id=1254194 same crap as above Private


http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2148791&pbp_id=1253502 Private!
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2148791&pbp_id=1254246 Private! same

SS does not move towards the only WR in his zone

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2148791&pbp_id=1254597 Private
SS in deep strong half, no one in his zone so instead of moving toward the middle of the field (still in his zone) he just stays over in the middle of his zone.


http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2148791&pbp_id=1254151 Private SS just runs to his zone on a running play to his side with no receiver or threat coming out to his side.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2148791&pbp_id=1255280 SS just sits and waits until RB crosses LOS. Private game

We redid how zones work and it's working as Bort wants it to. Sorry, but you're going to have to readjust how you use zone coverage schemes.

Originally posted by Catch22
We redid how zones work and it's working as Bort wants it to. Sorry, but you're going to have to readjust how you use zone coverage schemes.

This is fucking stupid. GLB keeps making offense easier and defense harder. Offense bitches about blitzes and FB blocking etc and they get a fix. Defense gets a little help in not making the zone safeties get beat deep, and in the process they can't defend the run well now and the zone logic gets a little more fucked up. Thanks for all the extra fucking work.

First, you need to be careful with your language. You could get a forum warning/suspension for three cuss words in a post. I'll just give you a warning here since you've never had a forum warning/suspension before.

Second, you can defend the run well, you just aren't going to be able to do it if you are placing players in deep zones. You can still get good run reaction from medium and shallow zones. Here are a couple examples from my team showing safeties with run reaction when not set to deep zones:

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2113036&pbp_id=974456
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2113036&pbp_id=975155
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2113036&pbp_id=976481

So yes, it's going to take a little more work to adjust your defenses but in the long run the deep zones provide better deep pass protection without giving them what we felt was unrealistic reaction to runs. It was our mindset that you shouldn't be able to have deep zone protect against a deep pass AND that same protection work very effectively against a run.

Catch, will there be some fix to QB running path?

Originally posted by aaasahi
Catch, will there be some fix to QB running path?

We're good with that and I haven't seen anything that seems broken/buggy - so unlikely. If you think something is broken, however, I suggest you post it in the Bugs forum and we'll look it over.

Originally posted by Catch22
First, you need to be careful with your language. You could get a forum warning/suspension for three cuss words in a post. I'll just give you a warning here since you've never had a forum warning/suspension before.

Second, you can defend the run well, you just aren't going to be able to do it if you are placing players in deep zones. You can still get good run reaction from medium and shallow zones. Here are a couple examples from my team showing safeties with run reaction when not set to deep zones:

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2113036&pbp_id=974456
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2113036&pbp_id=975155
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2113036&pbp_id=976481

So yes, it's going to take a little more work to adjust your defenses but in the long run the deep zones provide better deep pass protection without giving them what we felt was unrealistic reaction to runs. It was our mindset that you shouldn't be able to have deep zone protect against a deep pass AND that same protection work very effectively against a run.

So I'm guessing its been hard coded that the safety must stay in his zone until the back crosses the LoS? Because thats all I've seen so far, the safeties break on the HB the instant he crosses the LoS. I agree before that sometimes the safeties could break right on the hand-off and go the HB but it seems we've gone from one extreme to another.

When a rQB is in i do think its fine if the players stay in those deep zones as they must wait for the QB to cross the LoS to be sure, but on a hand-off to a HB?... I really think there is some middle ground that can be achieved here so the offense isn't completely dominant. Seems the offense has had quite there way for some time now and this will only help them. They got there FB blocking fixed and any exploit blitz or just reasonable blitz nerfed, not to mention they have this now too..

As a DC my job was already hard to begin with and now I have this to deal with as well. Now most OCs only have to throw in a few outside runs and some deep passes to catch fake WRs and they are done.

As for saying that we can play the safeties in under or shallow zones, that only works if they offense only runs the ball. If a pass is called we are screwed since a WR in single coverage will usually win that catch roll pretty dang easily or the CB will do some weird shit and not even attempt to DB%

Originally posted by Catch22

So yes, it's going to take a little more work to adjust your defenses but in the long run the deep zones provide better deep pass protection without giving them what we felt was unrealistic reaction to runs. It was our mindset that you shouldn't be able to have deep zone protect against a deep pass AND that same protection work very effectively against a run.

So it's more realistic for them to sit still in their zone as they watch the hb with the ball? Like I've said before they sit and wait till the ball crosses the LoS, that's with the HBs too... I think it's appropriate for the safety to reach his zone and analyze the play quickly, but to sit and watch the HB carry the ball and not move is even more unrealstic...

I dont usually complain about this sort of stuff but this is just way to stupid for their zones to work like this. The QB doesn't even have the ball so the deep threat is somewhat gone, not to mention those WRs probably are blocking with in 10 yards of the LoS

Originally posted by Catch22
First, you need to be careful with your language. You could get a forum warning/suspension for three cuss words in a post. I'll just give you a warning here since you've never had a forum warning/suspension before.

Second, you can defend the run well, you just aren't going to be able to do it if you are placing players in deep zones. You can still get good run reaction from medium and shallow zones. Here are a couple examples from my team showing safeties with run reaction when not set to deep zones:

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2113036&pbp_id=974456
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2113036&pbp_id=975155
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2113036&pbp_id=976481

So yes, it's going to take a little more work to adjust your defenses but in the long run the deep zones provide better deep pass protection without giving them what we felt was unrealistic reaction to runs. It was our mindset that you shouldn't be able to have deep zone protect against a deep pass AND that same protection work very effectively against a run.

when you are saying deep zones - do you mean "deep weak half" or do you deep as opposed to medium or shallow?

Originally posted by jakobnielsen
when you are saying deep zones - do you mean "deep weak half" or do you deep as opposed to medium or shallow?



I mean the Assignment - Cover Zone Deep, Cover Zone Medium, Cover Zone Shallow, Cover Zone Immediately, Cover Man, etc;

This play for example all defenders except for the DL are Cover Zone Medium and the FS that makes the tackle is Deep Weak Half zone:

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2113036&pbp_id=976481

Originally posted by SG✬21
Originally posted by Catch22


So yes, it's going to take a little more work to adjust your defenses but in the long run the deep zones provide better deep pass protection without giving them what we felt was unrealistic reaction to runs. It was our mindset that you shouldn't be able to have deep zone protect against a deep pass AND that same protection work very effectively against a run.

So it's more realistic for them to sit still in their zone as they watch the hb with the ball? Like I've said before they sit and wait till the ball crosses the LoS, that's with the HBs too... I think it's appropriate for the safety to reach his zone and analyze the play quickly, but to sit and watch the HB carry the ball and not move is even more unrealstic...

I dont usually complain about this sort of stuff but this is just way to stupid for their zones to work like this. The QB doesn't even have the ball so the deep threat is somewhat gone, not to mention those WRs probably are blocking with in 10 yards of the LoS


SG21 you make to much sense, that's the problem. A safety should be able to analyze a play and make the call to stay deep if a threat if felt or move forward in his zone, or to go even deeper in a zone if set to shallow or medium if a threat if felt. To give him rules like he is in a deep zone therefore he can't react to the run well is crazy. If you say that a deep zone safety will not react well to the run then why is it still that they react so poorly to a deep threat IN THEIR ZONE!

Catch/Bort your logic makes no FOOTBALL LOGIC.

If you throw your safeties in to a medium zone to protect the run all the offense is going to do is put in a blocking TE, blocking FB and a rusher in and then throw in their 2 speed catch fakes WRs. This will tell the DC that it will be a run and then the OC will throw long all day since the safety will not be able to get deep enough since your shallow, medium and deep logic has never really been correct.

The safeties need to move to the biggest threat, ie move forward to catch the HB coming out of the backfield with the ball, which the safety should be able to read, or stay back in his zone if the QB is rolling out if a threat (WR, TE etc) are in his zone. It should not be well "I'm in deep zone, I will just sit back here and pick my nose, until the ball crosses the LOS." Especially if the HB is moving with the ball to the strong side with no threat even on the strong side of the field.

FOOTBALL LOGIC should win over a steadfast coded rule.

Come on man, i know you are not new to this. You have to adjust you defense to the sim. It doesn't work the other way.
That is what preseason and scims are for. To see what the sim is doing and make changes to your AI. Don't spend too much energy trying to get things changed for your AI to work better. Spend your energy changing your AI to work with what you got.