Warrior General Games

Originally posted by mwoods07
Great numbers for a freshman QB, but pretty crappy in overall Heisman wining stats.

Heisman QBs Total Yards and TDs since 1970:

Ty Detmer (1990) - 5022 Yards, 41 TDs
Robert Griffin III (2011) 4992 yards, 52 TDs
Sam Bradford (2008) - 4767 yards, 55 TDs
Andre Ware (1989) - 4661 yards, 46 TDs
Johnny Manziel (2012) - 4600 yards, 43 TDs *1 GAME REMAINING
Cam Newton (2010) - 4327 yards, 50 TDs
Tim Tebow (2007) - 4181 yards, 55 TDs
Chris Weinke (2000) - 4070 yards, 34 TDs
Carson Palmer (2002) - 3820 yards, 37 TDs
Jason White (2003) - 3694 yards, 41 TDs
Doug Flutie (1984) - 3603 yards, 27 TDs
Danny Wuerffel (1996) - 3525 yards, 39 TDs
Charlie Ward (1993) - 3371 yards, 27 TDs
Matt Leinart (2004) - 3278 yards, 36 TDs
Gino Torretta (1992) - 3036 yards, 19 TDs
Jim Plunkett (1970) - 2898 yards, 18 TDs
Troy Smith (2006) - 2893 yards, 31 TDs
Eric Crouch (2001) - 2688 yards, 26 TDs
Vinny Testaverde (1986) - 2454 yards, 26 TDs
Pat Sullivan (1971) - 2096 yards, 20 TDs

Originally posted by mwoods07
Wait, the Ags are the talk of college FB? I must not be living in Texas....you rarely hear about that 2 loss team, non-top 5 team.

Pretty sure every time I turn on Sportscenter, or look at the Yahoo home page, there is something about Johnny Football, and thus Texas A&M.

Originally posted by RayRay99
Johnny Manziel (2012) - 4600 yards, 43 TDs *1 GAME REMAINING.

Not that great in my eyes. They played 4 decent teams went 2-2 and his numbers sucked.


Originally posted by RayRay99
Pretty sure every time I turn on Sportscenter, or look at the Yahoo home page, there is something about Johnny Football, and thus Texas A&M.

Um, he's part of the Heisman race (and not even part of that before they beat Alabama and KS lost). Of course he will be talked about. In that case 5 other teams are the talk of college FB too. No, the Ags (as a team) are irrelevant in college football right now.

Case closed, end of argument.

Numbers vs teams with winning records in FBS:

Heisman Trophy Winner
Klein W7 L1
25 TD, 5 Int
(Has been a rock all season and only had one bad game vs Baylor. Aside from that bump in the road, he has rocked like no other = Heisman for 2012)

Freshman of the Year
Manzell W2 L2
5 TD, 5 Int
(Had a marquee game vs Alabama and has been the best thing to hit College Station since John David Crow and The Bear...however that does not equate to a Heisman, at least not this season)

BTW, time to move on to a new subject.

So who wins the NCS game, Domers or Tide?

Originally posted by King of Bling
BTW, time to move on to a new subject.

So who wins the NCS game, Domers or Tide?

I think it should be a good game...and Bama has not been destroying teams like they had been. If they were playing now like they were at the beginning of the season, I'd say Bama easily. But right now, it should be a VERY good game. Personally, I don't like either team and don't care who wins really. But based on just performances and what I have seen of both in limited games, I go with Bama. It would not shock me if ND wins, it would shock me if ND kills Bama. Id LIKE to see ND win, but I think it will be Bama.

Originally posted by RayRay99
Pretty sure every time I turn on Sportscenter, or look at the Yahoo home page, there is something about Johnny Football, and thus Texas A&M.

pretty sure lately every time i turn on sportscenter i see them glorifying a murderer like a big sob story.

Originally posted by gbororats
pretty sure lately every time i turn on sportscenter i see them glorifying a murderer like a big sob story.


no kidding O_o

Originally posted by gbororats
pretty sure lately every time i turn on sportscenter i see them glorifying a murderer like a big sob story.


It is a sob story...it's sad that he felt he had to take someone with him...

Originally posted by King of Bling
Case closed, end of argument.

Numbers vs teams with winning records in FBS:

Heisman Trophy Winner
Klein W7 L1
25 TD, 5 Int
(Has been a rock all season and only had one bad game vs Baylor. Aside from that bump in the road, he has rocked like no other = Heisman for 2012)

Freshman of the Year
Manzell W2 L2
5 TD, 5 Int
(Had a marquee game vs Alabama and has been the best thing to hit College Station since John David Crow and The Bear...however that does not equate to a Heisman, at least not this season)

Yeah, let's look at that contrived stat another way:

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/1818563/heisman-compare.jpg

6 of Klein's 8 games against teams with "winning records" were against teams that are 7-5. The average defensive rank for the teams Klein faced in this stat was 86th in the nation. The 4 teams Johnny faced were on average ranked 17th, including the 1st, 5th, and 9th ranked defenses. It also only mentions TDs. The scoring was spread around with our running backs, and leaving out the fact he had 330 yards per game in those games against great defenses is absurd. Also your stat is wrong, because ABC (which originally posted this stat) made it AQ FBS schools, which conveniently left out Johnny's performance against #23 Louisiana Tech amongst others.

You say Klein only had one bad game against Baylor. The problem, is that is was against freaking BAYLOR. The 119th ranked defense out of 122 FCS schools. And you say besides that game he has rocked like no other, except for the fact that he hasn't. Here are some numbers from his other games:

Missouri St - 169 yds passing, 54 yds rushing, 2 total TDs
Oklahoma - 149 yds passing, 79 yds rushing, 1 total TD
TCU - 145 yds passing, 50 yds rushing, 2 total TDs, 1 turnover

He has faced horrible defenses all year and has only one 300 yard passing game and only three 100 yard rushing games. Johnny has passed for 300 and rushed for 100 IN THE SAME GAME three times. Klein's stats are mediocre in comparison to Manziel's, and he has done so against inferior competition in a league that doesn't play defense.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wGJN7ErQbs

That's a bad boy, I'm sorry!

No point in discussing anything with Ray regarding ATM. He's the same guy who has argued that UT is historically inferior to ATM despite winning their head to head games 2 to 1!! Lord help us if ATM football is ever truly significant as there will be nowhere on this planet to escape his delusional rantings.
I will give you this, Sumlin can coach Mack Brown under the table but then again, most anyone could.
You are probably a nice guy in other circles Ray, but I have say, you are pretty miserable to be around when it comes to ATM. We know you love them and no matter what, they are the greatest so let's leave it at that and move on. Oh and if Manzell isn't named the GOAT, a conspiracy is the only conclusion

Originally posted by IP3
No point in discussing anything with Ray regarding ATM. He's the same guy who has argued that UT is historically inferior to ATM despite winning their head to head games 2 to 1!! Lord help us if ATM football is ever truly significant as there will be nowhere on this planet to escape his delusional rantings.
I will give you this, Sumlin can coach Mack Brown under the table but then again, most anyone could.
You are probably a nice guy in other circles Ray, but I have say, you are pretty miserable to be around when it comes to ATM. We know you love them and no matter what, they are the greatest so let's leave it at that and move on. Oh and if Manzell isn't named the GOAT, a conspiracy is the only conclusion


That is idiotic. I never said the sips were historically inferior to A&M. I said that A&M was on an unlevel playing field for most of the time that the sips dominated us. All I am doing is presenting facts to support my arguments. Please point out where I have posted something that was not back by facts.

Originally posted by King of Bling
BTW, time to move on to a new subject.

So who wins the NCS game, Domers or Tide?

Uh, hum...we got off topic.

Originally posted by mwoods07
Uh, hum...we got off topic.


Bama, ldo

I almost feel bad for the sips and sooners, with us cherry picking all the top talent and what not. What will they do when they don't have all the 4 and 5 star talent to cover for the coaching misgivings?

http://i1211.photobucket.com/albums/cc421/natemc21/SumlinCopter.jpg