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GrogMan
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The bottom line for GLB to worry about is what value do they place on maintaining Free players to keep the community large and on going versus what value they place on the % of Paid players actually adding to the cash flow of the game...

If the community has ENOUGH paying players that GLB feels they can do away with free players, fine. Implement a "one time Freebie" bonus for people who start up in the game, get them started, and hopefully they become interested enough to purchase flex to keep going...

If the community NEEDS Free players to add extra teams and extra leagues, then a system as non "new user friendly" as this one seems to be will likely result in FEWER people transitioning to paying customers. We ALL must be aware that probably 90% of the NEW people trying GLB invest in SA pts with their start up SP, and the result of that is a build that is forever "useless" for playoff level teams. Making the new RP spent on start up players by brand new users totally non-refundable just strikes me as the IDEAL way to drive brand new players OUT of GLB as soon as they learn they've "messed up" their player, and the only way to re-coup is to start PAYING!

BANKS had the idea right when they started issuing ATM cards...

In the early 80's when ATMs started, they were all 100% FREE to use. this got people to stop going to the bank to write checks to "cash", and banks could lower their personnel costs, and the customer got a highly convienent new way to bank; Win/Win!

Then in the late 90's banks realized they could save personnel costs AND charge of ATM usage. People were so "hooked" on the convienence of ATM cards that they wouldn't STOP use just because of the minor cost. BIG WIN for the banks, but still a pretty ok win for the customer.

GLB isn't following that pattern, but they might WANT to think about doing so...

Instead what GLB is doing with this new system is:

They induce someone to try the game with "free" points and no cost involved.

They DO try to put out some player build manuals, but there won;t be enough info in those to really get a brand new player learn all the in's and out's of this game.

when the new player does find out aobut all his build "mistakes", he no longer has a way to re-coup ANY of the "free" points he got on acocunt start up, and GLB's response is (essentially): "sorry, you should have known better than to do THAT. You know you can always PAY for more points, and try again!"

Now what if banks had installed ATM's, and then never gave a customer anyway to learn how to set a PIN number?

And after 30 days of not being able to USE the ATM because of their lack of knowledge, the bank informs the customer that "Sorry...your 30 day free trial is over. We can send you the info about HOW to use the new ATM, but it is 50 pages long, will take you 12 hours to learn, and w are going to charge you $3 for every transaction anyway!"

Do you HONESTLY think that people would have continued to use ATM's, or do you think they'd have jsut continued going to the bank to write checks for cash?

As soon as new users learn that the only way to over-come their early build mistakes is to PAY money to keep playing GLB, I can pretty much guarentee that a large portion of them will NOT consider the cash out lat to be worth it for a game they must still learn.

...and eventually GLB will go the way of the Do Do bird, when ALL they have are the people who DO pay for FP season after season leave for other activities, and no one new replaces them.





Edited by GrogMan on Mar 17, 2010 22:13:35
 
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I can see where Bort could possibly be handing out too much free flex. This is a business and he has to run it properly. BUT, doing away with the 70% refund all together is taking it a little far in one move. Just think about this. If you used that free flex and retired the player every year, what is the flex value?

get reward: 100 FP
end of season 1: 70 FP
end of season 2: 49 FP
end of season 3: 34 FP
end of season 4: 24 FP
end of season 5: 16 FP
end of season 6: 11 FP
end of season 7: 7 FP
end of season 8: 4 FP
end of season 9: 2 FP
end of season 10: 1 FP

So, that 100 free flex, ended up being 318 free flex. Is that too much free flex? Maybe. But it was Bort's decision to give it out. Maybe just reduce it by a half, instead of by two-thirds. Instead of giving it out 100 at a time, just give 50.
 
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Overreact much?

I think so.

This isn't a major change, it's a change that aims at removing those who scam the system. Sure, you don't get return on them. But you WILL save by being able to save the FP on your account by using the RP's.

And TBH, only whiny bitches will whine when they don't get a return on something that has been given to them. Get over yourself, chief. You pay for FP and get your guaranteed return on. You're given RP, and you'll live with how they work. No reason to disagree with whats free.


Yeah. You're wrong. He's an agent who owned a team, had multiple players and got fed up with the direction and speed, the sim was going. He's retired most of his players and the only real reason he's sticking around is because it's free. Make it so he can't recycle flex and he's going to finish up his player then leave.
 
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What about the flex points we already have? Will it basiclly become useless?

And I have two players i'm retiring this year, am I shit out of luck now?
 
pottsman
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Originally posted by breakinit
What about the flex points we already have? Will it basiclly become useless?

And I have two players i'm retiring this year, am I shit out of luck now?


Your current flex aren't affected. Your bought flex aren't affected. All that happens is "hey, new season, here's 100 flex" will now be "hey, new season, here's 100 non-refundable flex", and from time to time "hey, you bought a lot of flex, here's 1000 non-refundable flex"
 
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The thread Question about reward system. has been merged into this thread
 
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Ok so is flex still gonna be used for creating players and teams?
 
pottsman
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Yes. Your flex isn't changing. The only change is that now, any "free" flex you get, such as "it's christmas!" or "new season!" is nonrefundable, and from time to time people may be given "bonuses" for buying a lot of flex/boosting often.
Normal flex still gets it's normal refund.
 
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So from now on when some creates an account he'll get 400 reward points, not 400 flex points?
 
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Originally posted by kardiackids2007
So from now on when some creates an account he'll get 400 reward points, not 400 flex points?


No.

Edited by tuba_samurai on Mar 18, 2010 08:55:31
 
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Originally posted by kardiackids2007
So from now on when some creates an account he'll get 400 reward points, not 400 flex points?


No, new accounts still get 400 flex points.
 
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Originally posted by John Waylon
And TBH, only whiny bitches will whine when they don't get a return on something that has been given to them. Get over yourself, chief. You pay for FP and get your guaranteed return on. You're given RP, and you'll live with how they work. No reason to disagree with whats free.


I wasn't whining or bitching. Recycling free flex points that Bort gave out as a thank you is hardly gaming the system. They are changing the way the system works, and as a result my time with this game will come to an end sooner than I expected and they will have lost an agent that has been playing since Season 1. Whether or not that's something to worry about is totally up to the admins.


*shrug*
Edited by SwagOnLock on Mar 18, 2010 10:30:56
 
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Originally posted by SwagOnLock
I wasn't whining or bitching. Recycling free flex points that Bort gave out as a thank you is hardly gaming the system. They are changing the way the system works, and as a result my time with this game will come to an end sooner than I expected and they will have lost an agent that has been playing since Season 1. Whether or not that's something to worry about is totally up to the admins.


*shrug*


So this should read as follows:

Originally posted by SwagOnLock
Blah blah blah, blah blah blah blah, rabble rabble rabble rabble, something or other, I am complaining about them changing something they give to me for free.


*shrug*


Guess I should say it again...

TBH, only whiny bitches will whine when they don't get a return on something that has been given to them. Get over yourself, chief. You pay for FP and get your guaranteed return on them. You're given RP, and you'll live with how they work. There us NO reason to disagree with whats free.

I even emphasized the important parts because obviously you didn't catch them the first time around... Dunno if it was reading comprehension, or just not reading at all, but I left a margin of error only big enough for a total retard to slip through this time.


And guess what? Most of us couldn't give 2 shits less how many players or teams you've bought, how much time you spend here, or how long you've been here because it's totally besides the point. The point is:

NO ONE, not even the illegitimate bastard children of Bort, have the right to complain about what is given to them by Bort for free.

It's just that simple.

And if you leave, do you think Bort and the admins are going to start going "Great Scott! SwagOnLock has left the game! We'll be dead in 24 hours if he isn't back by then, onoes!"

Not a chance.

They're going to replace you with the next player to join, and you'll be forgotten like a meaty chud flushed after fajita night.
 
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Originally posted by John Waylon
Guess I should say it again...

TBH, only whiny bitches will whine when they don't get a return on something that has been given to them. Get over yourself, chief. You pay for FP and get your guaranteed return on them. You're given RP, and you'll live with how they work. There us NO reason to disagree with whats free.

I even emphasized the important parts because obviously you didn't catch them the first time around... Dunno if it was reading comprehension, or just not reading at all, but I left a margin of error only big enough for a total retard to slip through this time.


And guess what? Most of us couldn't give 2 shits less how many players or teams you've bought, how much time you spend here, or how long you've been here because it's totally besides the point. The point is:

NO ONE, not even the illegitimate bastard children of Bort, have the right to complain about what is given to them by Bort for free.

It's just that simple.

And if you leave, do you think Bort and the admins are going to start going "Great Scott! SwagOnLock has left the game! We'll be dead in 24 hours if he isn't back by then, onoes!"

Not a chance.

They're going to replace you with the next player to join, and you'll be forgotten like a meaty chud flushed after fajita night.


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