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Gart brought up his suggestion again today and I agree it's the best so far ...

http://goallineblitz.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=2958454&page=18

Originally posted by Gart888
i outlined a perfect promotion/relegation system months ago.

cliffs:

start with 4 teams from each league.

each season the bottom half of the the world league moves back to their respective pro leagues. every pro conference winner gets promoted to the world league.

this will mean that over an extended period of time the best leagues will have more people in the league, but each regional pro league will be represented by at least 2 pro teams each season.



... and from the thread a while back ...

http://goallineblitz.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=2373077&page=4

Originally posted by Gart888
How about this?

Start with the top two teams from each conference, then each season move the bottom 8 teams down, and move one team from each conference up.

That way if a league is truly better, it will naturally send more teams up to the world league, by way of avoiding relegations. Every conference is still guaranteed at least one team in the world league each season. .

Originally posted by turnit643
Gart brought up his suggestion again today and I agree it's the best so far ...

http://goallineblitz.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=2958454&page=18

Originally posted by Gart888

i outlined a perfect promotion/relegation system months ago.

cliffs:

start with 4 teams from each league.

each season the bottom half of the the world league moves back to their respective pro leagues. every pro conference winner gets promoted to the world league.

this will mean that over an extended period of time the best leagues will have more people in the league, but each regional pro league will be represented by at least 2 pro teams each season.



... and from the thread a while back ...

http://goallineblitz.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=2373077&page=4

Originally posted by Gart888

How about this?

Start with the top two teams from each conference, then each season move the bottom 8 teams down, and move one team from each conference up.

That way if a league is truly better, it will naturally send more teams up to the world league, by way of avoiding relegations. Every conference is still guaranteed at least one team in the world league each season. .

Thanks for digging those out <3 Posted in our discussion.

Is world league going to be entirely separate, or will it be like Champions League in Euro soccer where the teams still compete in their home league?

r8, I spelled out that suggestion a bit better - as I understood it:
http://goallineblitz.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=2958454&page=23

Originally posted by turnit643
r8, I spelled out that suggestion a bit better - as I understood it:
http://goallineblitz.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=2958454&page=23

Thanks turn, posted it up.

Every world pro suggestion keeps talking about moving down to your ORIGINAL league. This just wont work...


In season 12, possibly all 4 teams from one pro league wont make it to the playoffs in the world league. So they go back to their old league, and are replaced by... the top 2? So now you've got two extra teams in that Pro league. Okay, so they take the Pro-AAA relegation spots. What if nobody gutted in that Pro league... Now NOBODY gets to move up from AAA to Pro? It just throws everything off if you guarantee being moved back to your old league.


IMO, non-playoff teams demote, as has been suggested. You go to your old league, priority given to the highest seeds (9-16). For example: If two original Africa Lion teams didn't make the playoffs, the higher seed gets their old spot back, but the lower just fills whatever hole happens to be left at the end of relegation.


This still allows for one league to flood the world league based on talent (no USA moves down, but 2 still move up), it will simply put a few out-of-towners into those spots.

Originally posted by Octowned
In season 12, possibly all 4 teams from one pro league wont make it to the playoffs in the world league. So they go back to their old league, and are replaced by... the top 2? So now you've got two extra teams in that Pro league. Okay, so they take the Pro-AAA relegation spots. What if nobody gutted in that Pro league... Now NOBODY gets to move up from AAA to Pro? It just throws everything off if you guarantee being moved back to your old league.


This is not what has been suggested.

The if 2 teams demote from the WL to their old Pro conference and only the conference winner is coming up, one more spot would have to be opened for them. It would not come at the expense of an earned promotion for a AAA team. It would send another Pro down to AAA, the 14th place team in that Pro conference.

This is where people get stuck, but they fail to recognize that at the outset, additional AAA's would be pulled up to replace Pro teams headed to the WL. Also, in the opposite case as the one brought up, what if the WL teams from that Pro conference make the WL playoffs and don't demote? That Pro conference still gets to send up their winner, so an extra spot is opened for another AAA to promote. If it's OK for extra promotions to happen, then the possibility of extra demotions are simply the other side of the coin and should be OK too, no?.

There will be AAA's that didn't "earn" promotion finding themselves in Pro leagues. Facing the possibility that there may be more than the standard number of demotions in a conference should not be a concern. It would all be on the table and understood long before it actually happened so teams would know what they would be facing.

Gart's suggestion right now is pretty good.

I'm actually a fan of the bottom 'X' teams getting demoted and placed wherever there is an opening. If 3 SEAPL teams get demoted, and one has to be put in USAPL... so be it. Only the best should be in the World League...

But whatevs. I'll live with my deep sadness.

Why not every season recycle the whole world league.

So the two best teams in each league (the two who played in their 'super bowl' are promoted to the world league and the two worst performing teams that were promoted from their league last season would be the two demoted. Leaving room for normal demotions etc in the regional pro-league.

Originally posted by Octowned
Every world pro suggestion keeps talking about moving down to your ORIGINAL league. This just wont work...

In season 12, possibly all 4 teams from one pro league wont make it to the playoffs in the world league. So they go back to their old league, and are replaced by... the top 2? So now you've got two extra teams in that Pro league. Okay, so they take the Pro-AAA relegation spots. What if nobody gutted in that Pro league... Now NOBODY gets to move up from AAA to Pro? It just throws everything off if you guarantee being moved back to your old league.


Octowned,

They don't actually ruin promotion, they just advance demotions. So more teams will get demoted and you want have EXTRA promotions.

Let's take OPL for example.

S10 off-season. 4 teams promote to WL, 4 teams demote to AAA, no guts. That's 8 openings. So the top 8 AAA teams promote.

S11 - games play, OPL gets rocked in the WL, all miss the playoffs

S11 off-season. 4 teams demote from the WL to OPL, 2 teams OPL team promote to WL. So, we have two extra teams. Instead of 4 teams demoting to AAA, you have 6 OPL to AAA. Now process the 4 AAA conf champions promoting and you things balanced without a problem.

The only sticky wicket is you'd have extra demotions when a pro league sends a lot down from the WL, but that just balances the extra promotions you had previously.

Speaking of kickoff/touchback nerf....

http://goallineblitz.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=2973725&page=last#25506919

Allow kick returners to return more kicks instead it's silly they can't return a KO 2 yards deep.

I say for the first season of the World League, advance 4 teams from each region (for 32 total teams).

For subsequent seasons, only advance two teams from each geographical region and demote the two worst performing teams back to their original geographical region.

In this way, you're only replacing the teams that promote each subsequent season and those spots are taken back over by the two teams (of the 4 original) that had the worst records.

^ problem with that is some leagues don't have 4 let alone 6 competitive teams going up against the best of the best.

See WSI in USAPL this season. Slaughtered, and they WERE the pride of OPL by far.

I didn't realize there would be extra Pro->AAA demotions. Problem solved. I sort of like keeping the playoff, losing the non-playoff. No sense always having 4 Africa teams down the road. You'll always be guaranteed at least two 2.. but in the first round of demotions if all 4 get removed so be it, the region didn't deserve 4 slots.

Originally posted by Octowned
I didn't realize there would be extra Pro->AAA demotions. Problem solved. I sort of like keeping the playoff, losing the non-playoff. No sense always having 4 Africa teams down the road. You'll always be guaranteed at least two 2.. but in the first round of demotions if all 4 get removed so be it, the region didn't deserve 4 slots.

Of course in a few seasons when all the season one players are declining you may end up with better teams from regions other than USA. There are some good Africa Pro teams with very few Season 1 players...It is important that as the powers shift between regions that it is accounted for (now maybe USA is just better recruiters and this wont happen, who knows).