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I wanted to bring to everyones attention current controversy with the Brisbane Bandits. Possible collusion between Brisbane owner and Brisbane player that GM'ed another team (with GM rights to trade).

Here are the facts (and opinion after timeline).

The major players involved:

BillyVassi - former GM (not owner) of Baton Rouge Thrashers and player on Brisbane Bandits
catspaw27 - Owner of Brisbane Bandits
joemalaka - Player on Brisbane Bandits



Timeline:

May 19th - BillyVassi, as GM of Baton Rouge Thrashers, posts that every starter of the Trashers is available for trade. BillyVassi states he only wants inactives in return. Many say things like this would be considered "gutting a team". http://goallineblitz.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=250084 . Many players ended up traded but some where not. The players left behind were left on a gutted team with inactives and many kickers/punters.

May 20th - A thread on the Main GLB forum brings up BillyVassi trading all the players away, without the owner of Thrashers knowing about it. http://goallineblitz.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=254342&page=1 . Many think it was wrong, but the census is the owner gave him the right as GM so the owner cannot do anything about it. BillyVassi claims the owner didn't do anything and people wanted to get traded. Mixed reaction on the thread on if it was right or wrong.

May 21st afternoon- JoeMalaka posts on the Brisbane Bandits private forum about the BillyVassi threads. JoeMalaka does not say BillyVassi was right or wrong, just posting it as an FYI. Brisbane Bandits promote themselves internally and externally as an honorable team, thus why I wanted to bring it up. I left it for everyone to make up their own mind. Maybe what I did was wrong, but that can be debated.

May 21st, about 30-45 minutes after forum post by JoeMalaka - JoeMalaka is banned from the Brisbane Bandits forum. No PM from CatsPaw27 on why. JoeMalaka figures it was because of the post. JoeMalaka writes CatsPaw27 explaining why he did it and apologized if he was too far. CatsPaw27 responded pissed off, telling JoeMalaka he was wrong, and stating JoeMalaka (player is Mojo Dojo) is removed from the FB depth chart and will be special teams only. JoeMalaka gets in 6 plays only in following game the same day (about 45 minutes later).

May 21st, early evening - JoeMalaka gets two PM's from different GLB users he doesn't know. Both stated their is more to the story and I should look more into it. Both stated it is very strange the owner of Brisbane Bandits would get so upset so quickly about the situation.

May 21st, late evening - After the two PM's JoeMalaka decides to take the issue public. http://goallineblitz.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=261852 .

May 22nd, midnight - JoeMalaka finds that a new player on Brisbane Bandits was traded from the Trashers to the Bandits by BillyVassi during the "trade everyone" timeframe. http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=112386 . Catspaw27 has been trying to get a highly rated backup CB for awhile, and Brisbane Bandits got that player from the BillyVassi trading spree. JoeMalaka starts to think that this might be why CatsPaw27 got so upset, because he and the Bandits benefitted from what happened. The 2 users that PM'ed me definately knew something was wrong and were correct.

May 22nd, early morning - http://goallineblitz.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=261852&page=4 . Another GLB user finds that the Bandits also received a RB from the Thrashers. So two players traded to the Bandits from BillyVassi.

may 22nd, morning - A player from the Trashers posts in the above thread that BillyVassi is "full of ****". This player was left behind on the Trashers and not traded. Player claims people were upset but not as bad as BillyVassi let on. Player also claims that BillyVassi ended up on a stacked team that got many of the players he traded.


So that is the facts that exist. Now my personal feelings.

The Brisbane Bandits are a good team, great team. But as honorable as they try to make themselves? I don't think so. CatsPaw27 took advantage of a team getting gutted. Will this CB make a huge difference? Maybe, maybe not. But it looks bad for an undefeated team, in my opinion. Catspaw27 had to know the team was getting gutted, it was obvious. If you look at the thread, http://goallineblitz.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=250084 , where BillyVassi posted that he was trading everyone..you will not see Catspaw27 post at all. BillyVassi claimed he took the first offer on everyone. Did Catspaw27 have a heads up? Catspaw27 let it be known in the private team forum he really wanted a highly rated backup CB, so BillyVassi knew it. Catspaw27 has gone quiet with responding to my PM's (granted there were heated after he told me I was benched). I gave him chances to explain himself with the players he received, and got no response.

And why was Catspaw27 so quick to "sit my ass on the bench" by simply posting links to the threads about BillyVassi? Looks like it might be because he was involved with it in some way.

I think the Bandits got two players, with one a very good backup CB, for pretty much nothing. They were able to trade away inactive players that were not playing anyways to get the players needed. I feel this is not fair at all for the league. I believe it is collusion.

Make up your own mind. I believe the Bandits season is tarnished no matter what, which is a shame. They didn't need to get involved in something like this.


EDIT: ADDED:: I never threatened to sabotage the Bandits team. I have PM's stating this. After i was banned I wrote catspaw asking why. He responded with why and he said I was benched. I then was pissed and responded I would not put any level up points into Mojo then. How is that sabotage? He benched me immediately first and then that was my response.

Wow, that's quite a lot to digest.

I won't go on and defend anything, it's pointless. I will make two thoughts public though:

When players become available you do what you can to grab them. The only Thrasher player upset was the one who WASN'T traded away from an inactive team.

You don't air issues with other players in team forums and try to get them in trouble. Trying to create gossip is like high school. That's not what teammates do. They should be looking out for each other, not setting them up to fail.

That's it. Easy stuff. I have nothing to hide, consider myself to be an honorable owner and coach... but I can't make everyone happy.

If anyone has questions please feel free to PM me, but I won't feed the gossip machine.

Posted in Joe's other thread in the general forum as well:

A lot of misinformation here.

Joe's post in the team forum was viewed as not being very team like by the owner. He thought that if Joe had an issue with Billy Vassi, he should have brought it up private with Billy and/or the owner.

I can see how it might be viewed as un-teamlike and I think the actions taken against Joe (banning him from the forum) might have been a little too strong without any discussion first.

Regardless, Joe responded by threatening to sabotage the team. NOT the best way to open a rational discussion. At that point, the owner felt that Joe had shown his true colors as not being a team guy and benched him. That action, I feel, was entirely deserved. If a player is threatening sabotage he is done as far as I'm concerned.


That's the story, plain and true. There's no hidden conspiracies or anything else going on.

To get a good idea how honest his post is, consider that the "stacked" team he said I traded myself to is 1-12.

Yeah, after the original billyvassi controversy I did some research and saw that they had acquired players from that team. While I had originally tried to defend Billy, I am now of the opinion that he does need to be suspended/banned for collusion, as well as any team owner he colluded with.

If he were truly just trying to "do the right thing" as he had claimed in the original thread, he wouldn't have dealt players to teams he was on.

I used to respect the Bandits as a team (even if I think many of their team members are idiots), but after this stunt, which I firmly believe to be entirely dishonest, that throws any former respect I had out the window.

The Bandit's team should agree to release the players as immediately as possible, and recuse themselves from any post season activities.

Billyvassi: I am ashamed at having attempted to defend you in the original thread.

Bandits team (management): You have cast a pall over an otherwise clean league, and brought shame and disgrace to the Oceania league.

..and by the way, congrats to Joe for doing the right thing, even in the face of enmity from his teammates, who will surely try to spin this another way.

Edit: they already are starting, see above....

Originally posted by Ballbright
Yeah, after the original billyvassi controversy I did some research and saw that they had acquired players from that team. While I had originally tried to defend Billy, I am now of the opinion that he does need to be suspended/banned for collusion, as well as any team owner he colluded with.

If he were truly just trying to "do the right thing" as he had claimed in the original thread, he wouldn't have dealt players to teams he was on.

I used to respect the Bandits as a team (even if I think many of their team members are idiots), but after this stunt, which I firmly believe to be entirely dishonest, that throws any former respect I had out the window.

The Bandit's team should agree to release the players as immediately as possible, and recuse themselves from any post season activities.

Billyvassi: I am ashamed at having attempted to defend you in the original thread.

Bandits team (management): You have cast a pall over an otherwise clean league, and brought shame and disgrace to the Oceania league.




Ridiculous

Originally posted by Ballbright
Yeah, after the original billyvassi controversy I did some research and saw that they had acquired players from that team. While I had originally tried to defend Billy, I am now of the opinion that he does need to be suspended/banned for collusion, as well as any team owner he colluded with.


Explain how trading a level 12 HB for a level 12 CB is collusion? Collusion is depleting one team to build up another team.

Originally posted by Ballbright
..and by the way, congrats to Joe for doing the right thing, even in the face of enmity from his teammates, who will surely try to spin this another way.

Edit: they already are starting, see above...

Doing the right thing equals threatening to sabotage a team instead of have a rational discussion?

Okay

Originally posted by drifter
Originally posted by Ballbright

Yeah, after the original billyvassi controversy I did some research and saw that they had acquired players from that team. While I had originally tried to defend Billy, I am now of the opinion that he does need to be suspended/banned for collusion, as well as any team owner he colluded with.

If he were truly just trying to "do the right thing" as he had claimed in the original thread, he wouldn't have dealt players to teams he was on.

I used to respect the Bandits as a team (even if I think many of their team members are idiots), but after this stunt, which I firmly believe to be entirely dishonest, that throws any former respect I had out the window.

The Bandit's team should agree to release the players as immediately as possible, and recuse themselves from any post season activities.

Billyvassi: I am ashamed at having attempted to defend you in the original thread.

Bandits team (management): You have cast a pall over an otherwise clean league, and brought shame and disgrace to the Oceania league.




Ridiculous


You're a Bandits player, what're the odds you'd think it was ridiculous?

It is collusion by definition. I was there in the beginning for the original controversy, so don't give me that nonsense. You guys are underhanded and now everyone knows it.

Originally posted by billyvassi
Originally posted by Ballbright

Yeah, after the original billyvassi controversy I did some research and saw that they had acquired players from that team. While I had originally tried to defend Billy, I am now of the opinion that he does need to be suspended/banned for collusion, as well as any team owner he colluded with.


Explain how trading a level 12 HB for a level 12 CB is collusion? Collusion is depleting one team to build up another team.

You depleted the prior team to build the bandits....plain and simple..and collusion is conspiring to do it, gutting is the definition you listed above.

Shame

Give me a break. This is a whole lot of crap about nothing.

I felt bad for Joe, cause I did agree that the actions put on him were a bit to swift, as I did not think that he was trying to be "evil" or anyhting for posting the info on billyvassi. He just kind of put it out there and said "here it is"

Just another reason to hate on the bandits as I see it, but thats what you get for being on top.

See the "New England Patriots"

can we call this billvassigate?

edited for typo

or maybe just "billygate"

Originally posted by drifter
Originally posted by Ballbright

..and by the way, congrats to Joe for doing the right thing, even in the face of enmity from his teammates, who will surely try to spin this another way.

Edit: they already are starting, see above...

Doing the right thing equals threatening to sabotage a team instead of have a rational discussion?

Okay

He aired the gripes in a private team forum first...that is the right thing to do. Then rather than discuss it with him you banned him? The bandits look more and more guilty with every sentence typed...