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Thanks.

Originally posted by Asheme
Originally posted by ChicagoBlitz

He didnt do anything thats against the rules. It just sucks for him to be able to say "Well, our USA teams blows. Time to kick the crap out of those suckers in Asia AAA. Then just move them up next year and try our luck in USA again."



If it makes you feel any better, they'll never be a good team here.

It actually does help a little.

Originally posted by nutrumpet
Thanks.

Feel free to prove me wrong, but your actions and results thus far speak for themselves.

Originally posted by ChicagoBlitz
Originally posted by Asheme


If it makes you feel any better, they'll never be a good team here.

It actually does help a little.




lol, too funny. both posts.

But the truth is, 95% (or more) with the same option to make this move from the pros down would do it. From the viewpoint of the players who move, it makes the game more fun. from the stance of the other teams in the lower league they come into, it sucks big time. But what really sucks is that you dont have the option to do the same.

This is collusion. No two ways about it. And the spin is ridiculous.

Originally posted by turnit643
This is collusion. No two ways about it. And the spin is ridiculous.


tough to "nail" somebody when both teams are competitive...and the bucks roster looks about as strong as its been all season to me.

I was one of the players who moved to Perinton from the bucks. My WR. I will tell you I asked the owner to move me as I wasnt getting much playing time, and I thought id be of help down in asia as the playoffs near. Most of you dont know him the way I do, and for what its worth coming from me, he is a great owner who does whatever it takes to keep his players happy. If you could view the Bucks forum, you would be nothing but a bunch of tight nit guys coming together when times are tough. Trust me, we havent given up.

Judging by the lists of players that switched rosters and the positions of the teams in their respective leagues, I think it's very tough to say that they weren't sacrificing strength from one team (that is likely out of the playoffs) to improve the other (that is in the hunt) and were instead just re-shuffling players in an effort to keep both teams at the same competitive levels they were at prior to the moves. [whew, that was a long sentence.]

Well I went from 25-30 plays a game in Perrinton to 11 plays in 4 games in Columbus. I didn't ask for shit. After last week (10 plays in 3 games at the time) I asked to be moved and wasn't.

Am I not important enough to listen to or something?

Originally posted by TheHickChris
I was one of the players who moved to Perinton from the bucks. My WR. I will tell you I asked the owner to move me as I wasnt getting much playing time, and I thought id be of help down in asia as the playoffs near. Most of you dont know him the way I do, and for what its worth coming from me, he is a great owner who does whatever it takes to keep his players happy. If you could view the Bucks forum, you would be nothing but a bunch of tight nit guys coming together when times are tough. Trust me, we havent given up.
Originally posted by futbol
Well I went from 25-30 plays a game in Perrinton to 11 plays in 4 games in Columbus. I didn't ask for shit. After last week (10 plays in 3 games at the time) I asked to be moved and wasn't.
Am I not important enough to listen to or something?

"...does whatever it takes to keep his players happy." Unless, apparently, you happen to be a relatively lower level guy that can't help the playoff team. Sounds like the whole "player happiness rules all in our 'community'" idea just went out the window.

How can this not be collusion? Why would a team trade higher level players for lower level players? What benefit did that team get?

Originally posted by wombat killer
How can this not be collusion? Why would a team trade higher level players for lower level players? What benefit did that team get?


1. It is collusion.

2. They did it so they can stack a team and win the other league.

3. The other team really didn't get any benefit at all.

Collusion is tacitly legal in this game. The developers say they are against it but "What can we do?", and teams seemingly remain unpunished.

1. It was not collusion, I have two teams. I could have cut all of my players and sent them down to win at that Level... that would have been collusion(I love it when people call it a lower level because we all love the USA but the truth is we are all on the same level)

2. I have one player off my team that is unhappy with his PT and that means I am a cheater? He was a back up with Perrinton he is a Back up with the Bucks. He wasn't traded to move players he was traded because the guy he took over for want more PT and was traded.

3. I am trying to win at both levels. If I can make a deal that will make both teams stronger I will. I don't see what the issue is with that. As long as the players are happy with the move. That is the part some don't understand. I find it hard to listen to some of you that have a team full of your owner player cry to me. It is easy to keep yourself happy. But when you are dealing with 60 different users on two teams you have your work cut out for you.

4. The truth is I start 4 of those player in Perrinton. Childers,Davis,Biehl and Davis. The rest of my Team in Perrinton was built the hard way..good trades and FA.
Why did I bring down those 4 players. Well to help out Perrinton sure. But I wanted to move my personal players to open up spots for some very good users. The other two are my close friends that are going to take over my teams as real life will be taking me away from the game soon.

5. These players have been there for 6 games. Check the game logs they were not sent there at the trade deadline. But almost 2 weeks ago. So it wasn't as if we sent for a playoff push. The problem was I boosted my players and wow...now they get noticed.

6. If you look I could have really helped my Perrinton team if I would have wanted. There are a lot of areas that we need help at. Look at the game logs before ripping me. You are going to find we didn't rape one team to help the other.

7. Is it fair that I have two teams? Well if Bort or DD asked me to sell one I would. I have no issue with that.

Originally posted by turnit643
Originally posted by TheHickChris

I was one of the players who moved to Perinton from the bucks. My WR. I will tell you I asked the owner to move me as I wasnt getting much playing time, and I thought id be of help down in asia as the playoffs near. Most of you dont know him the way I do, and for what its worth coming from me, he is a great owner who does whatever it takes to keep his players happy. If you could view the Bucks forum, you would be nothing but a bunch of tight nit guys coming together when times are tough. Trust me, we havent given up.
Originally posted by futbol

Well I went from 25-30 plays a game in Perrinton to 11 plays in 4 games in Columbus. I didn't ask for shit. After last week (10 plays in 3 games at the time) I asked to be moved and wasn't.
Am I not important enough to listen to or something?

"...does whatever it takes to keep his players happy." Unless, apparently, you happen to be a relatively lower level guy that can't help the playoff team. Sounds like the whole "player happiness rules all in our 'community'" idea just went out the window.

This is the one player who is unhappy on my team. I tried hard to move him lastnight but couldn't get a player to fill in for him. I wish I could have. I try to make all of the users on the game happy.

C'mon man, yes I'm sure you could have really gone for it and loaded up more than you did, but just because you held back doesn't change the fact that you are shifting players from a team with little hope to a team that has a shot simply because you have control of both and there are no rules in place to stop you. You have to see why people would be upset with the moves and the advantage you have created - even if you were just being creative and well-intentioned toward your pile of players. Perhaps we have differing definitions of collusion, but it sure looks like you have two teams acting in concert to help one team win.

Look, I have no dog in this fight, I just think it's a shady way to play it. You own multiple teams and therefore have a large player pool to draw from when you need it. That is a luxury that many others don't have. Congrats on having the foresight to build a "community" of players to share between teams, but I'm pretty sure that wasn't the way things were intended to be played here - specific rules against it or not. And putting it on the players because they wanted to go play elsewhere is weak ... of course they wanted to play for a playoff team, I'd bet most players on teams destined to sit out during the postseason would prefer to be playing, but it's not their call, it's yours.

I don't think there is anything inherently wrong with owning two (or more) teams as long as thy are treated as distinct entities and not as an 80+ player pool that gets divvied up across rosters as changing situations call for it.

And for the record, I don't like the one-man-show kind of teams either, I think that offers an entirely different kind of advantage, but I suppose that's a discussion for another place.

Good luck in your playoffs, I've really written more here than I intended to and it's starting to look like I care more than I actually do, so I'll stop now.