Warrior General Games

Originally posted by Obrret
Originally posted by Adderfist

http://test.goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=680&pbp_id=170182

Check out the blocking on that play. Just another example of the shit WR blocking.

I'm not sure that play is so much shit WR blocking as it is the WR picking the lesser of two evils. He chose to block the SS and the CB pounced on the play. If he had chosen to block the CB then the result very well could have been the same. The SS or MLB would have blown right past the TE to make the tackle because the TE would have picked one of them up for his assignment.

Not disagreeing completely, just saying it might not be that.

my thought on this play is the assignments on the pitch play its self. the TE would combo block the de then block second level on LOLB'er. the C would also combo then block second level to MLB'er. on a pitch play right the offense would not worry about backside players. in this ex. the C would never stay on that DT for the whole play, either him or the RG would go second level to MLBer. now depending on blocking scheme WR stays with CB, and FB takes SS possibly a chip on LOLBer on the way. or WR stalk blocks SS and that leaves a kick out for the FB on the CB.

Originally posted by thehazyone


The only running play removed from the playbook was Shotgun HB Draw. All other plays were used.


One from each team:
http://test.goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=692&pbp_id=172459
http://test.goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=692&pbp_id=172481

Originally posted by rockitsauce
Originally posted by thehazyone



The only running play removed from the playbook was Shotgun HB Draw. All other plays were used.


One from each team:
http://test.goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=692&pbp_id=172459
http://test.goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=692&pbp_id=172481

That's not Shotgun Draw, that's the new Shotgun running play.

im not gonna quote to save space. Hazy, you do not have defened yourself like i said in my first post, i wasnt accusing you of anything, i was just trying to make the point that are are many flaws in the way the TS is set up, it just so happened you were in a place at atime that you got pointed to as an example. I appreciate the time you put in, the game needs people who do what your doing to get where it needs to be.


Now, i only watched a few plays this time from the following 2 games but it was the same thing as before....


Originally posted by thehazyone
All defenses were set to Man to Man Coverage, Long Coverage Distance, Pass Play Focus, Center Shifts


http://test.goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=692
http://test.goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=693


The plays i watched were again all on run focus. It's hard to beleive that the tester knows the diffrence between focuses. But in light of the insistence that the diffrence is understood even though it seems it is not, at this point i feel i need to explain them (which, i shouldnt have to do for a tester but all that stuff is contained in my earlier post, no need to rehash it)

- Play Focus - Play focus determines how close the LBs line up to the line of scrimmage. Its a drop down setting in the advanced D AI. There are 3 choices - run. pass, and balanced. Diffrent focuses can be combined with diffrent cover shells and cover distances. So you could have a cover 2, long coverage distance, run foucus play, or a cover 1 short distance balanced focus play. Coverage shell and distance has nothing to do with the play focus. All 3 are independent settings from one another, but can be combined to give diffrent looks.

Its easy to tell a play focus simply by looking at the LBs and how far away from the LOS they are.

here is a pass focus - http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=235993&pbp_id=7980925
notice the LBs are 5-6 yards away from the LOS

here is a balanced focus - http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=473101&pbp_id=19654714
notice the LBs are 4-5 yards away from the LOS

here is a run focus - http://test.goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=648&pbp_id=164343
notice the LBS are 2-3 yards away from the LOS

That is what focus is, and the plays supporting the "run d is overpowered now" argument are all run focused D's.

Again, when a team runs against equal competition that focuses only on the run inbetween 2-3 yards a carry sounds exactly right, maybe even a little high.

And again, I'll say the plays were on pass focus not on run focus. I know how to set the AI. I don't need an explanation of what they are, I know what they are. I'm telling you that I set the defenses in those game to Pass play focus.

I took a screen shot before I ran those test sims (of those two games you mentioned above) just to prove it.

http://aaronhendrix.com/longpass.jpg

I appreciate what you are saying and I understand your confusion, but I assure you that the AI in all games where I said it was set to pass long were set to pass long. Whether that means their is some faulty code on the test server in regards to how those are set, I can't tell you, but I can promise you that I've set play focus to Pass in each and every instance I said I did.

Originally posted by odg62
here is a run focus - http://test.goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=648&pbp_id=164343
notice the LBS are 2-3 yards away from the LOS

Here is a balanced focus from a test sim I ran earlier - you'll notice it's the exact same as the one that you say is run focus here. There isn't any difference - I'm going to get clarification from Bort on this so there is a clear answer.

http://test.goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=696&pbp_id=173095

Originally posted by thehazyone
Originally posted by odg62

here is a run focus - http://test.goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=648&pbp_id=164343
notice the LBS are 2-3 yards away from the LOS

Here is a balanced focus from a test sim I ran earlier - you'll notice it's the exact same as your run focus play here. I think you might be confusing what the play focus actually is. I'm going to get clarification from Bort on this so there is a clear answer.

http://test.goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=696&pbp_id=173095



Both of those linked are run focus plays, there must be something wrong with it on the test server.

I'm guessing that might be it - why I'm seeking clarification from Bort.

I'm going to run a quick test sim with the same exact defenses in different quarters being called with the only thing being different is coverage distance/play focus.

Originally posted by thehazyone
I'm guessing that might be it - why I'm seeking clarification from Bort.

I'm going to run a quick test sim with the same exact defenses in different quarters being called with the only thing being different is coverage distance/play focus.

Yep, good catch. Fixed 'er up for future tests.

Originally posted by thehazyone
Originally posted by odg62

here is a run focus - http://test.goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=648&pbp_id=164343
notice the LBS are 2-3 yards away from the LOS

Here is a balanced focus from a test sim I ran earlier - you'll notice it's the exact same as the one that you say is run focus here. There isn't any difference - I'm going to get clarification from Bort on this so there is a clear answer.

http://test.goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=696&pbp_id=173095



Originally posted by Bort
Originally posted by thehazyone

I'm guessing that might be it - why I'm seeking clarification from Bort.

I'm going to run a quick test sim with the same exact defenses in different quarters being called with the only thing being different is coverage distance/play focus.

Yep, good catch. Fixed 'er up for future tests.


Okay fair enough, just wanted to make sure that everything is being interpreted right and i hope that the fact that the skewed/inaccurate results of the tests that this thread focuses on do not cause any misinformed/misguided changes to the way the sim will be working for S9.

also, dosent this kinda skew the results/accuracy of all prior test games to some degree?

It does my testing for sure. I'm going to be redoing them (which sucks for me but I want to make sure I have accurate results).

Thanks by the way for bringing it to my attention. I knew something looked off but I also knew that I was inputting it correctly. I should have just tested play focus settings right away when I noticed it.

Originally posted by thehazyone
It does my testing for sure. I'm going to be redoing them (which sucks for me but I want to make sure I have accurate results).

Thanks by the way for bringing it to my attention. I knew something looked off but I also knew that I was inputting it correctly. I should have just tested play focus settings right away when I noticed it.

no problem. I commend you on the dedication you have and effort you put into your job as a tester as well as your desire to get it right.

Sorry if i came out with guns blazin originally (i tried to be as nice as possible about it) but after watchin the last year how changes get made through these fourms and the way the game is influenced, if you dont come out blazin, you might as well not come out at all.

Originally posted by thehazyone
It does my testing for sure. I'm going to be redoing them (which sucks for me but I want to make sure I have accurate results).

Thanks by the way for bringing it to my attention. I knew something looked off but I also knew that I was inputting it correctly. I should have just tested play focus settings right away when I noticed it.

Disconcerting to say the least... However, I applaud thehazyone for how he handled himself. Other testers take note.

Makes you wonder if there are other areas where the test server differs....

And do live servers differ from each other?

Good Read Good Points But .. Elu Back need to be brought bac in line with power backs... On my team My Elu back Ran for 6k+in season 7 an in season 8 i cant get him to 1k? I know we were promoted Early in only our 2nd season Because of Cpu team an whatever but to much talk is going to bring'n the Power/combo back, back to earth am not much is being said about bring'n Elu Backs back in line.. And power Back shouldn't be the only Back that can run Inside... we all watch football.. Do only power guys try to bring it up the middle? no all running backs run up the middle.. an as for Power back not being able to make it around the end tell that to Bettis or Jamaal Anderson .. OL/Wr/Te blocking is a HUGE part of it But also power/combo backs have been getting better an better for yrs while Elu backs keep getting sent the other way... Just my 2c... Rev