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still no plays for them except draw play

but i seen a qb that had 21 rushes 84.5 yards on this one team

Just thinking out loud about scrambling QBs, I'd make sure he's high in the pocket presence SA and set his scrambling on often. The pocket presence seems to get the qb out and moving, and the scramble often might get him to take off. Not sure that he'd be any good though, with everyone on defense going speed crazy. I wonder if the SA turn shoulder works outside the pocket? That plus the SA stiff arm would be two tackle breakers.

If there's enough open space, a QB can easily get 10 yards with around 25-30 speed.

Mine averaged 12 yards on punt returns with 15 speed.

I have a decent scrambling QB, had a couple big rushing games.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=341174

Imagine a QB with 50-70 speed and 40+ throwing/vision/strength. O _ O

Originally posted by Pong
Just thinking out loud about scrambling QBs, I'd make sure he's high in the pocket presence SA and set his scrambling on often. The pocket presence seems to get the qb out and moving, and the scramble often might get him to take off. Not sure that he'd be any good though, with everyone on defense going speed crazy. I wonder if the SA turn shoulder works outside the pocket? That plus the SA stiff arm would be two tackle breakers.

i set my scrambling to "sometimes" and I never run the ball

i think people get QB Runs confused with scramble frequency.

scramble to me means that the QB moves around in the pocket much more leading to plays like this:

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?pbp_id=8806008

Originally posted by Kayoh
Imagine a QB with 50-70 speed and 40+ throwing/vision/strength. O _ O



my QB does had 55 speed.... amd 60 throwing.....47 vision.... 45 strength

Originally posted by kr0n

i think people get QB Runs confused with scramble frequency.

scramble to me means that the QB moves around in the pocket much more leading to plays like this:

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?pbp_id=8806008

I see that as Pocket Presence as the DT was right in your face from the get go.

Originally posted by Pong
Originally posted by kr0n


i think people get QB Runs confused with scramble frequency.

scramble to me means that the QB moves around in the pocket much more leading to plays like this:

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?pbp_id=8806008

I see that as Pocket Presence as the DT was right in your face from the get go.



Pocket Presence is a strange ability. It is a little vague (probably intentionally) but the description sounds like it might help negate the penalty to accuracy and pass quality you get for throwing when someone is actively hurrying you. So the plays that start out with "<name here> pass to <name here>, hurried by <name here>" have an increased chance of ending with a completion instead of a deflection, interception, or just plain missed pass.

Some people would say Pocket Presence represents moving around inside the pocket to avoid tacklers. Others would say vision determines your QB deciding to move around inside the pocket if he sees a threat and scrambling frequency represents your willingness to leave the pocket. Personally I think scrambling does represent movement both inside and outside the pocket mostly because I don't think the game recognizes actual boundaries of the pocket (no reason to unless you want to implement intentional grounding and throwing the ball away or want to get really technical about what is and is not a sack when tackling a QB running a sweep when they add QB runs other than draw). To me Pocket Presence is your QB staying calm and making the proper throw even though he knows a defender is about to hit him instead of panicking and throwing a bad pass trying to avoid the hit.

That being said my QB has always been set to "almost never" for scrambling with pretty good pocket presence but no scrambler special abilities and occasionally does produce some similar plays:
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?pbp_id=7188821

That play the QB wasn't hurried (no "hurried by so and so" in the play by play) though he does run outside the pocket as the line gets pushed back. If pocket presence is just a bonus to pass quality and accuracy when throwing while a defender is hurrying you then it didn't activate and that play represents either vision leading to QB running outside the pocket, a designed QB bootleg pass play, or was the rare exception inherent in "ALMOST never scramble."

Just a side note about the play, it is strange that all the both TEs and the #1 WR run curl routes then just stand in place and wait around while the #2 WR runs a deep route then stops at about the same time and also just stands still making no move to get open while the QB buys time. The only receiver that keeps moving is the HB that eventually makes the catch. If you can find examples where the receivers all repeat that odd behavior AND the QB rolls out to throw then it is likely it is a designed play, but I don't know if you will find it, it seems a little strange to draw up THAT. My money is on it being the rare exception.

I'm testing a QB build where the majority of points are spent on str+speed, throwing to be trained. Running set on combo. The idea is if a strong fast QB can get over the D-Line, it might be able to get some broken tackles against the weaker LB.

Originally posted by radardog
I'm testing a QB build where the majority of points are spent on str+speed, throwing to be trained. Running set on combo. The idea is if a strong fast QB can get over the D-Line, it might be able to get some broken tackles against the weaker LB.

I have the same thing but my level 21 QB does it. Does work on some draw plays if you can get around the D-Line, should be effective when you can have more plays except the draw.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?pbp_id=10398651

best run by a QB maybe... dont read too much into it, as it was against a very poor team

Originally posted by jeffgarcia
Mine averaged 12 yards on punt returns with 15 speed.

lol